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Blame Fëanor
Several of us decided in another thread that everything in ME that ever went wrong is Fëanor's fault.
Now we're out to prove it. Who's with us? Or against? ![]()
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How about the initial songs of Morgoth when he flouted Eru? Was that Feänor's fault too?
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Give us time. We'll prove it.
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I'll work on that one. It probably will end up being the only really tricky one.
Here's Chrys's earlier reason why Maeglin's turning bad was Fëanor's fault (and the reason behind this thread): Quote:
Any others while we work on the Ainulindalë problem? And trust me, we will. We will.
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i think its more Morgoth's fault than Feanor's. But then you could say it was Iluvatar's fault for creating Melkor...
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Be careful with that particular claim. It's not always well accepted.
![]() Hey, does retroactive blame count? I say it does. ![]() This is going to be a hard idea to accept, and totally disbands the idea of free will. If one believes in fate, and I mean completely believes in fate, then it would seem that everything that occurred in the past perhaps did so only to effect what would occur in the future. From my brand new (second edition ![]() Quote:
Few can doubt that much of what happened (we're going to say all ![]() Now, if we bring this logic back full circle to Fëanor, we will assuredly be able to prove (in this circuitous manner) that Fëanor is in deed responsible for almost everything. ![]()
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Go, Elemmire! (I knew that deep down inside you were a Fëanorophobic after all
![]() My way of blaming it all on Fëanor: none of what had happened would have if Fëanor had just given the Silmarils over to Yavanna. Arda would still have the two trees, the West wouldn't be hidden, the Valar would've fought Morgoth much earlier, etc... ♪Blame Fëanor......♪ Blame Fëanor......♪ ![]() |
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The Sinking of Numenor was Feanor's fault.
If he had not made his stoopid oath, the noldor would not be in beleriand, hence tuor and idril would never meet, hence no earendil, hence no elrond or elros, hence no lines of numenorean kings, hence no Ar-Pharazon, hence no taking Sauron to Numenor, hence no Sauron poisoning Ar-Pharazon's mind more than it was already, hence no Numenorean fleet attempting to wrest Aman from the Valar, hence no Manwe calling upon Eru to sink that little island. I rest my case, M'Lud! |
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That Morgoth was ultimately defeated? Should we blame Feanor for that one too?
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BTW, Ar-Pharazon seems to be the equivalent of feanor among men, dont you think
here is my list of 'bad-eggs' Ainur - Morgoth/Sauron/Saruman/Balrogs Elves - Feanor/Eol/Maeglin/Curufin Men - Easterlings/Southrons/Ar-Pharazon Dwarves - Mim/Ibin/His other son (forgot his name) Hobbits - Lotho S-B/Ted Sandyman Others - Old Man Willow/Caradhras the Cruel/Trolls/Orcs |
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Well spoken, Beren. Well spoken.
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