08-06-2003, 12:45 PM | #1921 | |
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08-06-2003, 12:59 PM | #1922 | |
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08-06-2003, 01:10 PM | #1923 | |
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I mean that we can think about a world more "harmonic", but not more perfect, because the perfection of the real world is that it's founded on our freedom. To create freedom is something above our thought.
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08-06-2003, 04:23 PM | #1924 | |
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To even things out a bit, in case it DID come off like I was bragging, let me fill you guys in on some of my worse qualities - I'm very selfish and self-centered. I can very often be greedy, vain, bully-ish, lazy, and happy to see (small) bad things that happen to people I'm not fond of. I too often lose my temper and speak angrily to those in my family (I typically don't snap at Entmooters because I can always stay away from the computer if I'm crabby). I take too much time for my own enjoyments and don't spend enough time with my kids. And that's just a small list I have no delusions of my own perfection - I see only too well how imperfect I am, and it makes me sick. That's why it's so amazing to me that God loves even me, and sent His Son to pay the price/penalty of my sins and restore me to a relationship with God, because I never could have paid the price myself. I also see, however, that with God's grace and help, that I have made improvements in these areas. But I still have a HUGE way to go, and I'm sure there's awful things in me that I don't even see yet that are glaringly obvious to others. I'm sorry if it came off as "blowing my own trumpet", because that was NOT AT ALL what I intended. I don't want to tell why I'm asking that particular question now, but I would still like to see it answered by those that wish to talk about the subject of suffering.
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08-06-2003, 04:26 PM | #1925 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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08-06-2003, 04:30 PM | #1926 |
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HOBBIT- I'm sorry, I was so tired last night when I posted that I didn't word my response to you correctly. I went back and edited it, and I'll repeat it here - what I wanted to ask you to expand on was:
But how do you suggest that God get people to be nicer? IOW, any thoughts on how people/creation could be different to achieve this goal?
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08-06-2003, 04:36 PM | #1927 | |
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08-08-2003, 02:34 AM | #1928 | ||
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IIRC, you posted this info once before, and if the question is whether Christians are more charitable than non-Christians, or more than other religions, or even whether religious types in general act more charitably than the non-religious, no problem- but that is a different topic. Is that what you are meaning?
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08-08-2003, 03:03 AM | #1930 |
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[quote]But how do you suggest that God get people to be nicer? [quote]
nope, no idea. I thought god could do whatever he wanted? Why not just say "i now make people really nice" or something
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Could you, please, tell me if you think you are a free being?
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08-08-2003, 03:34 PM | #1932 | |
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GrayMouser - FatMiddle had a question for you - did you see it?
Also, I have one more for you - you haven't answered the question of what you, personally, are doing to relieve suffering, and you said "I still can't see the relevance of that to the subject under discussion, and until I do I'm going to hold back." My question to you is, why are you holding back? Do you see any possible harm that could come about from answering that question? Can you trust the question-asker and go ahead and answer, since there is no possible harm that could come from answering? also from your post: Quote:
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None of us are free. We are slaves to the society we've created. No you cannot be whatever you want when you grow up because you have to survive. In this society you survive by going to collage and getting a job. If you're lucky you'll have a carreer. No you're not going to grow up to change the world. There are much more important things like food in the fridge, gas bills, warm clothes, a house. Today's youth will grow up to be exactly like yesterday's did, only with more technology.
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Well, I still don't see what it has to do with the topic at hand, but I have faith that you will be a lamp unto my feet, so okay.
In the past I have served as a volunteer teacher in Kenya and Zimbabwe (Rhodesia, as it was at the time), done adult literacy work with native Canadians in northern B.C., and assisted (briefly) at a Cambodian refugee camp in Thailand. In honesty I have to add that in none of these situations did I set out to do good works; I just happenened to be in the neighborhood when the opportunity arose. I also spent a couple of years as a very-low paid ( about US$100-150/month) ESL teacher in China, but I don't count that as I had ulterior motives (learning Chinese). I actually do more charity work now than I did when I lived in Canada, for reasons which I'll explain lower down. My wife is a Taiwan aborigine, and their situation is very similar to that of North American natives, Australian aborigines etc.- unemployment, poor education, poverty, alcoholism, domestic violence- so I do work with aborigine children- English teaching mostly, but also outings, coaching (swimming) etc. Hey, a lot of them are my relatives anyway! It's Sunday, so this afternoon I'll be taking a bunch of kids to the beach; admittedly not that much of a sacrifice when it's 38 degrees C outside The reason I do charity work here and didn't back in Canada was that in my home country most of my "social" energy was focused on politics, while here I'm a guest and have to stay uninvolved, acccording to the Foreign Affairs Police, even over things like nuclear waste dumps which directly affect my children's future. I believe that, while charity deals with an individual level, a lot of our problems are created en masse and can only be dealt with at the political level. For example, you talked about building houses in Mexico, which I'm sure is very much appreciated by the recipients. At the same time NAFTA is causing huge suffering to Mexican peasant farmers who are unable to compete with US sudsidized agricultural products. There is a current series in the New York Times pointing out the devastatng effects that rich-world agricultural subsidies have on poor countries: Quote:
I hasten to add that this is not just America; Europe and Japan are far worse, and Canada, in spite of being a member of the Cairns Group, is one of the biggest per capita offenders. So in the case of charitable works,while it may be better to light one candle than curse the darkness, it's always possible that you turn out to be spending your time fixing the leak in the orphanage roof while the dam is about to burst and wash away the whole town.
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08-10-2003, 11:25 AM | #1937 |
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WOW, Greymouser! That is one REALY long post! That goes into my record of the longest Entmoot post.
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08-10-2003, 11:41 AM | #1938 |
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Pst, I've had longer. Hers is 3456 characters, one of mine was 3944. I can remeber one being over 4000, but I can't remember which one it was.
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OOO! Cool!
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