Mel Gibson's Jesus movie

[The Gaffer]

Originally posted by HOBBIT
There is a new wave of "jews killed jesus"

Yes, I'm amazed and sickened at how deeply that seems to run through Christian society.

Maybe, in a round-about way, this might have a positive result in these attitudes being flushed from the long grass and exposed.

[Millane]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I thought your parents sent you to Catholic school?

no i go to a private school that boast about there friendly christian environment, the only religious thing about it is a wednesday assembly when some religious folk come in and drone on and say some prayers for 20 minutes

correct. we all crucified him, but it was meant to be in rder for the salvation of man's soul.

i didnt crucify him, another good way to use humans emotion in order to follow some beliefs, if fear doesnt work make us feel guilty, well i feel no guilt, and to put forth another appropriate manson quote "i have no soul to sell"

[brownjenkins]

i'm curious... i can't seem to remember the logic behind why jesus' crucification was necessary for the salvation of man?

i understand many of you could write a novel on the subject... but what does it boil down to?

[sun-star]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
a lot of people are racist. thats a fact. people deal with it everyday, so why make a big deal of the supposed "anti semitism" in gibson's movie when racism is so common everyday?
and adolf was quite a silly fellow. quite laughable, along with Napolean.

Hitler was laughable? How many millions of people do you have to kill before you are taken seriously?

Racism and prejudice are indeed common in society; that doesn't mean anyone should just have to put up with it.

I very much hope this film isn't anti-semitic, but I wish that wasn't where all the attention was going, though. The Crucifixion is not about Christians' attitude to Judaism, and that shouldn't be the issue. This film should be about God, and I hope Mel Gibson remembered that (the film isn't out here yet, so I haven't seen it. Not sure if I will yet).

[Beor]

I dont want to interrupt anyone, but I just watched this film, and it was incredible. It surpassed all my expectations, and it was accurate to the finest detail I could pick up. Also, it made me realise what Christ actually went through, Son of God or not, and that, I think, is the whole point. I loved it, and I cant wait till I can buy the actual dvd.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by brownjenkins
i'm curious... i can't seem to remember the logic behind why jesus' crucification was necessary for the salvation of man?

i understand many of you could write a novel on the subject... but what does it boil down to?

God is all-holy, and cannot abide sin in His presence.

Mankind fell into sin by disobedience - and could not redeem itself... we had to suffer the doom of sin - eternal separation from God.

God is all-loving and wanted to redeem mankind to Himself.

God sent His Son (a 'part of Himself'? The 'Trinity' concept can be both simple and profound) to live among us... so that He could live a holy life, and then suffer the penalty for sin as though He had sinned.

Jesus Christ therefore offered atonement for our sin. He took the punishment that we deserved for our sin, so that we don't have to take it - if we accept His suffering on our behalf.

The cosmic balance of justice was restored... Jesus had lived without sin and suffered for sin, so that we, though trapped in sin, might be spared the penalty of our sin.

Further, He cleans us from our sin, that we might stand before the Father - clean not because of what we have done, but because of what He has done.

[brownjenkins]

thanks for the susinct description... i appreciate brevity at times

[Valandil]

Originally posted by brownjenkins
thanks for the susinct description... i appreciate brevity at times

You're welcome... and thank YOU! I was trying to keep it brief, but was afraid that even what I wrote should have been briefer.

[Giroth]

I have yet to see it. It looks very good though....True, for a change.......I mean, i watched that Judas movie last night and it was TERRIBLE.......the Passion of The Christ
looks way better.

[Rosie Gamgee]

I don't know why, but there seems to be a lot of stuff (unduly negative stuff) going around about this movie. Whew! I walked into the grocery store, and every magazine was raving about how 'violent' it is. Some people seem to feel that the film focuses too much on gore and violence. Well, repectfully, it is called The Passion of the Christ because that's what it's about.
I have no qualms with people picking on movies for what they do not contain- such as LOTR. The movies leave out a lot, and that annoys some of us fans of the books, mostly because PJ claims to have stuck close to Tolkien, when in reality, he's told his own brand of the tale. I can understand people getting a little miffed at that. However, Mel Gibson's film claims to be a movie about the last 12 hours of the life of Jesus Christ. He didn't say it was going to contain the Sermon on the Mount or the back-story of the Virgin Mary or the Feeding of the Five Thousand. It contains what it says it does. So why are peopl so worked up about it only containing Jesus's torture and crucifiction?
Also, when you want to talk about blood and gore- what about Gladiator? Or The Patriot, when he hacks that one guy to pieces? What about Saving Private Ryan? The opening scenes of this movie are horrific- because that's what really happened in WWII. So Mel Gibson wants to show us what really happened to the Savior of the world, and he does. It's not supposed to be some kind of large-scale Easter play where you see a little bit of red food-coloring here and there and a velcro cross. It's history. And it's rated 'R' for good reason. If people don't want to see a movie that shows this kind of stuff, than simply don't go see it.
I, personally, don't get why people are saying that you could get traumatized if you're faint-hearted, or whatever. I myself was thinking as I watched the movie that it was not as gory as I thought it might be- WHY?! Because I've been desensitized by watching this kind of stuff on other movies! And none of those movies are made out to be some kind of invading monster. I think people have a deeper problem with this film then that.

[Insidious Rex]

Hey did you guys hear? Gibson has made a sequel already. Its called The Passion of the Christ II: Resurrection.

Apparently its going to debut on easter...



*bu dum bum*



do you think Jamie Lee Curtis will have a role in it?

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[BeardofPants]

originally posted by HectorB:

They criticise it because they want to criticise it, because those atiests are very spiteful people.

I hope you're not lumping ALL atheists under that bracket?

[hectorberlioz]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
I hope you're not lumping ALL atheists under that bracket?

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so you caught me ...No, of course I'm not, just the ones who have been unjustly spiteful of this movie without having seen it.

[Earniel]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
so you caught me ...No, of course I'm not, just the ones who have been unjustly spiteful of this movie without having seen it.

*wonders why only atheists would be spiteful of this movie because of the violence, even if they haven't seen it*

Be careful with what you say, HB. Think of the election.

[Agalayth]

I am probably going to see it this weekend. My father saw it, and when he came home, he was really pissed off. (Just for the record, we're Jewish.) Anyway, he said it was just really anti-Semetic and portrayed the Jews in a way that is untruthful. He saw it at an early screening, with a bunch of religious leaders. Even priests and ministers and such said that it was unrealistic in that aspect.

But most people don't think that the movie is anti-Semetic. I'm guessing that's because most people don't really know about the anti-Semetism in the past. Passion plays have started pogroms that have killed thousands of Jews. Passion plays have kept anti-Semetism alive in Europe for centuries. It's not as if this is the first major act of anti-Semetism in a while - this just brings it over to the US, and not just in Europe. I know, a lot of people leave and don't feel any hatred against the Jews. But did people hear about the people in some southern state who were carrying signs around town that said stuff like, "The Jews Killed Jesus!!!"?

I know that it wasn't intentionally made to be anti-Semetic. I know Mel Gibson isn't some freakish anti-Semite. But the message of the movie is anti-Semetic for those who understand why. And for Christheads who can't think for themselves. "Yeah, the Jews killed Jesus... cuz... Mel Gibson says so!!!"

Anyway, I hope to see it this weekend, so I can back up my facts.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Eärniel
Be careful with what you say, HB. Think of the election.

... and in that vein....


No Hector, I will NOT edit that comment out. 'Mooters need to see exactly what they're voting for. It wouldn't be honest.