Women in LOTR - Page 9

Nibs · 11-20-2002, 01:32 AM

I thought it was cool that something like three women ruled over Numenor...

On a side note, I find it interesting that little is mentioned of dwarf-women...

"It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no more than a third of the whole people. They seldom walk abroad except at great need. They are in voice and appearance, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart. This has given rise to the foolish opinion among men that there are no dwarf-women, and that the Dwarves 'grow out of stone'.
"It is because of the fewness of women among them that the kind of the Dwarves increases slowly, and is in peril when they have no secure dwellings. For Dwarves take only one wife or husband each in their lives, and are jealous, as in all matters of their rights. The number of dwarf-men that marry is actually less that one-third. Tor not all the women take husbands: some desire none; some desire one that they cannot get, and so will have no other. As for the men, very many also do not desire marriage, being engrossed in their crafts."

-Return of the King, Appendix A, p. 449

Cool to hear about something unheard of in the regular text, but I'm rather glad it doesn't mention orc-women, assuming they exist (and you women thought you had it bad! Well, a few of you

).

**Nurvingiel** · 11-20-2002, 01:59 AM

Everyone says Tolkein was right... case closed.

Eowyn, Lady of Rohan · 04-09-2003, 05:12 PM

I've notice Tolkein didn't include many girl characters. (Exceptions: Arwen, Galadrial, and Eowyn) But the ones he did include were rather powerful. (like Arwen, Galadrial, and Eowyn)

Elvellyn · 04-09-2003, 06:00 PM

I noticed that, too. The female characters that are there leave a very strong impression.

Lanelf · 04-09-2003, 06:22 PM

Whoa - did you two realise you have the same avatar?
But yes, they do tend to leave impressions. I've calculated the female parts of LOTR: 7. Galadriel, Arwen, Shelob, Eowyn, Goldberry, Rose Cotton and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins. Well, most leave impressions. Some *coughGoldberrycough* are just annoying.

Lanelf.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-09-2003, 09:19 PM

There is a thread in the Middle-earth forum discussing the most impressive female characters of Tolkien.

gimli7410 · 04-09-2003, 09:46 PM

I thought most of them lft an impact on me but not lobelia, goldberry or rosie cotton

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-09-2003, 09:59 PM

Lanelf, I hereby excommunicate you from the Church of Tolkien. En nomine Iluvatar, et Manwe, et Varda, amen.

***azalea*** · 04-09-2003, 10:10 PM

I felt the "girls in LotR" was essentially the same topic as this one, so...
BTW, Goldberry is a great character!

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-09-2003, 10:36 PM

Precisely why I excommunicated Lanelf.

Elvengirl · 04-09-2003, 10:40 PM

I agree I thought Goldberry was great

Bombadillo · 04-09-2003, 10:43 PM

I don't think she was great. But she wasn't annoying. Goldberry was there. Did she even say anything?

But other than her I think all of Tolkien's characters, females too, were included for a reason.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-09-2003, 10:46 PM

Indeed she did. About you, she said "He is", which I feel is the best definition or description.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-09-2003, 10:52 PM

Yeah, she was a great lady. She loved doing the wash on rainy days.

Elvengirl · 04-09-2003, 10:55 PM

Yes she does, here is one

Quote:

"Come dear folk! Laugh and be merry! I am Goldberry, daughter of the River. Let us shut out the night! For you are still afraid, perhaps, of mist and tree-shadows and deep water, and untame things. Fear nothing! For tonight you are under the roof of Tom Bombadil!"

Lanelf · 04-10-2003, 10:15 PM

*wails* Nooooo! Excommunicated! *falls to the floor sobbing*
I only insulted one minor character! And only once!

Send me not from your sight! Please? I've always worshipped at my Tolkien altar, and I read the Sil and got my friends to! *sniffle* Don't excommunicate me! Manwe forgave the Noldor, for Eru's sake! I just insulted Goldberry, not killed off half the Teleri!
No? Oh, go on then. Too good for the likes of me, I suppose. :'(
Lanelf.

Linaewen · 04-11-2003, 09:35 AM

I forgive you (not that it's in my power to). But I disagree. Goldberry is not annoying. How could you say that?

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-11-2003, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lanelf
*wails* Nooooo! Excommunicated! *falls to the floor sobbing*
I only insulted one minor character! And only once! Send me not from your sight! Please? I've always worshipped at my Tolkien altar, and I read the Sil and got my friends to! *sniffle* Don't excommunicate me! Manwe forgave the Noldor, for Eru's sake! I just insulted Goldberry, not killed off half the Teleri!
No? Oh, go on then. Too good for the likes of me, I suppose. :'(
Lanelf.

And it took him an Age to do so.

You didn't just kill a few Noldor and rebel against the Valar, you INSULTED a part of Tolkien's work!

How much longer should you be unforgiven?

But, the Church is lenient and graceful. Return to the flock, with our blessing. And now, a hymn, to celebrate Lanelf's return to the Church of Tolkien. First two verses:

Snow-white! Snow-white! O Lady clear!
O Queen beyond the Western Seas!
O Light to us that wander here
Amid the world of woven trees!

Gilthoniel! O Elbereth!
Clear are thy eyes and bright thy breath!
Snow-white! Snow-white! We sing to thee
In a far land beyond the Sea.

Linaewen · 04-12-2003, 04:07 AM

*Joins in*

O stars that in the Sunless Year
With shining hand by her were sown,
In windy fields now bright and clear
We see your silver blossom blown!

O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!
We still remember, we who dwell
In this far land beneath the trees,
Thy starlight on the Western Seas.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-12-2003, 10:22 AM

Favour, of Eru, Ronald, and the Blessed Elf-mother rest upon thee. Amen.

11-20-2002, 01:32 AM	#1
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	I thought it was cool that something like three women ruled over Numenor... On a side note, I find it interesting that little is mentioned of dwarf-women... "It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no more than a third of the whole people. They seldom walk abroad except at great need. They are in voice and appearance, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart. This has given rise to the foolish opinion among men that there are no dwarf-women, and that the Dwarves 'grow out of stone'. "It is because of the fewness of women among them that the kind of the Dwarves increases slowly, and is in peril when they have no secure dwellings. For Dwarves take only one wife or husband each in their lives, and are jealous, as in all matters of their rights. The number of dwarf-men that marry is actually less that one-third. Tor not all the women take husbands: some desire none; some desire one that they cannot get, and so will have no other. As for the men, very many also do not desire marriage, being engrossed in their crafts." -Return of the King, Appendix A, p. 449 Cool to hear about something unheard of in the regular text, but I'm rather glad it doesn't mention orc-women, assuming they exist (and you women thought you had it bad! Well, a few of you ). __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

04-09-2003, 05:12 PM	#3
Eowyn, Lady of Rohan The Evil One Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: here, on the moot Posts: 804	girls in Tolkeins works I've notice Tolkein didn't include many girl characters. (Exceptions: Arwen, Galadrial, and Eowyn) But the ones he did include were rather powerful. (like Arwen, Galadrial, and Eowyn) __________________ GO RED SOX Evanescence, Green Day, Weezer, the Click Five, Train...The best song artists and singers ever! You laugh cuz i'm different, i laugh cuz ur all the same!!! Last edited by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan : 04-09-2003 at 05:17 PM.

04-09-2003, 06:00 PM	#4
Elvellyn The Redneck Elf Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In a house Posts: 539	I noticed that, too. The female characters that are there leave a very strong impression. __________________ Oliphants make great pets.

04-09-2003, 06:22 PM	#5
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	Whoa - did you two realise you have the same avatar? But yes, they do tend to leave impressions. I've calculated the female parts of LOTR: 7. Galadriel, Arwen, Shelob, Eowyn, Goldberry, Rose Cotton and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins. Well, most leave impressions. Some coughGoldberrycough are just annoying. Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

04-09-2003, 09:19 PM	#6
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	There is a thread in the Middle-earth forum discussing the most impressive female characters of Tolkien. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

04-09-2003, 09:46 PM	#7
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	I thought most of them lft an impact on me but not lobelia, goldberry or rosie cotton __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

04-09-2003, 09:59 PM	#8
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Lanelf, I hereby excommunicate you from the Church of Tolkien. En nomine Iluvatar, et Manwe, et Varda, amen. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-09-2003, 10:10 PM	#9
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	The Mad Merger Strikes Again! I felt the "girls in LotR" was essentially the same topic as this one, so... BTW, Goldberry is a great character!

04-09-2003, 10:36 PM	#10
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Precisely why I excommunicated Lanelf. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-09-2003, 10:40 PM	#11
Elvengirl Mirthful Maiden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 1,252	I agree I thought Goldberry was great __________________ The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com

04-09-2003, 10:43 PM	#12
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	That's my girl! I don't think she was great. But she wasn't annoying. Goldberry was there. Did she even say anything? But other than her I think all of Tolkien's characters, females too, were included for a reason. __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity?

04-09-2003, 10:46 PM	#13
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Indeed she did. About you, she said "He is", which I feel is the best definition or description. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-09-2003, 10:52 PM	#14
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Yeah, she was a great lady. She loved doing the wash on rainy days. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

04-10-2003, 10:15 PM	#16
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	wails Nooooo! Excommunicated! falls to the floor sobbing I only insulted one minor character! And only once! Send me not from your sight! Please? I've always worshipped at my Tolkien altar, and I read the Sil and got my friends to! sniffle Don't excommunicate me! Manwe forgave the Noldor, for Eru's sake! I just insulted Goldberry, not killed off half the Teleri! No? Oh, go on then. Too good for the likes of me, I suppose. :'( Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

04-11-2003, 09:35 AM	#17
Linaewen Fair Dinkum Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,319	I forgive you (not that it's in my power to). But I disagree. Goldberry is not annoying. How could you say that?

04-12-2003, 04:07 AM	#19
Linaewen Fair Dinkum Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,319	Joins in O stars that in the Sunless Year With shining hand by her were sown, In windy fields now bright and clear We see your silver blossom blown! O Elbereth! Gilthoniel! We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees, Thy starlight on the Western Seas.

04-12-2003, 10:22 AM	#20
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Favour, of Eru, Ronald, and the Blessed Elf-mother rest upon thee. Amen. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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