Eragon - Page 9

Beren3000 · 06-03-2007, 05:11 PM

I seem to have walked in on an ongoing discussion here, but I just had to give my opinion about this book.
It was highly unoriginal, but who can blame the poor guy? I once read a saying that goes more or less like: "most modern fantasy just rearranges the furniture in Tolkien's attic". I think there are only so many fantasy "archetypes" that it takes a true genius to write something original in that vein nowadays.
That said, I still enjoyed the book!

ayra · 06-04-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Acalewia

Ok he. But I believe Brom himself said that a Rider can live on after his Dragon's death, but when a Rider dies so does his Dragon.

May I ask, where?

I still think Galby's dragon could live, since his original Rider was killed and he still survived. I mean, even though Galby has him strung to him by magic, I think he could still live... Just me here thinking... I am not very sure that would work, anyway.

Acalewia · 06-06-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by me9996

Dragonriders aren't included in elves being stronger than men...

But then again the dragonriders of either race weren't exactly human or elvish.

You have a point...

Noble Elf Lord · 06-08-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ayra

I still think Galby's dragon could live, since his original Rider was killed and he still survived. I mean, even though Galby has him strung to him by magic, I think he could still live... Just me here thinking... I am not very sure that would work, anyway.

I thought at first it´d work, but then again poor Shruikan, being a rider dragon, needs a rider. Pity.

me9996 · 06-19-2007, 12:58 AM

Well he survived his first rider being killed, why shouldn't he survive Gabble-lox being killed?
Espeshaly as Gabbelgy bound Shruikan worse bonds of magic than "normal" dragon-riders, and maybe Sheep-skin is tired of...

Okay, maybe I should wright down the spelling of this stuff.

ayra · 06-24-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by me9996

Well he survived his first rider being killed, why shouldn't he survive Gabble-lox being killed?
Espeshaly as Gabbelgy bound Shruikan worse bonds of magic than "normal" dragon-riders, and maybe Sheep-skin is tired of...

Okay, maybe I should wright down the spelling of this stuff.

I think you need a spell-checker on that.

I think Shruikan could live if Galby dies.
It'd drive me nuts if Murtagh and Thorn die still on Galby's side. I'm not kidding.

Acalewia · 06-26-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ayra

It'd drive me nuts if Murtagh and Thorn die still on Galby's side. I'm not kidding.

I can't help but agree with you on that

ayra · 06-26-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Acalewia

I can't help but agree with you on that

Yeah, I mean, you would think that they would join Eragon and if they die, it would be on the side of good, not evil.
They have to help Eragon defeat Galby if he's to defeat him at all. Eragon cannot do it on his own.

Acalewia · 06-28-2007, 10:26 AM

True and with Murtaugh being

Eragon's brother

I would think he would side with Eragon since they were friends long before Murtaugh became a Rider. Wishful thinking?

ayra · 06-30-2007, 02:50 PM

Nope. At least I don't think it is. At the end of the second book, Murtagh let Eragon go because they had been friends and he could not let Galby get him. At least that is what I think.

durinsbane2244 · 07-02-2007, 10:10 PM

i've got a point to make and a question.

isn't it rather feeble how silly Eragon's powers are getting? ok, you can't fight anyone worth anything. well, after some practice, you are now the GREATEST HUMAN SWORDSMAN IN THE WORLD (him and Murtagh)! so you've been cripples and can't beat a snotty elf? no problem! naked chicks with tatoos will dance and you'll be an elf-hybrid who's super-powerful even more so! can't keep your stamina up? you can store your energy in this belt! blah blah blah...

anyway, the question. why do you think Galbatorix's power has been growing rather than diminishing? dun dun dun...

me9996 · 07-04-2007, 06:31 PM

Well, the only point I have to disagree with you on the point of Murtagh being Eragons equil as a swordsman.

Murtagh only won that fight because Eragon was all tired out from spoilery battle.

Acalewia · 07-05-2007, 12:33 PM

DB, you're a mess.

But you state a very good question. I agree with me, Eragon was already tired from using his magic over the course of a battle, Murtaugh had not. In the first book, CP says they are equal. I'm sure they are still equal.

The last sane person · 07-05-2007, 02:48 PM

No way they are still equal. Murtagh could keep up with a dragon rider even as he was not one himself, and he knew more about magic than Eragon did from the begining, he just couldn't use it. Now he has a dragon, he should be waaaay far above Eragon, whom btw, is the ultimate wimpy superhero ever.

Acalewia · 07-06-2007, 12:30 PM

I digress. I didn't think about that.

Maybe if he would quit pining for a certan elf...

me9996 · 07-06-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The last sane person

No way they are still equal. Murtagh could keep up with a dragon rider even as he was not one himself, and he knew more about magic than Eragon did from the begining, he just couldn't use it. Now he has a dragon, he should be waaaay far above Eragon, whom btw, is the ultimate wimpy superhero ever.

Nah, spoilers for explanation

the thing at the moon-fest or whatever it was not only healed Eragon it gave him much of the strenth, dextarity, agility, and observation skills of an elf -makeing him a better warrior than Murtagh.

Realy, the only reson I could think of for makeing elves so powerful would be the lack of aging and a long... long... long time to practice their skills.

But the writer made the elves super-human in all respects, I don't like it.

durinsbane2244 · 07-06-2007, 11:49 PM

um, in response to a few posts up there, yeah, it says in the first book that he's Murtagh's equal in swordplay, and i said that up there. (read the sentance! parenthetically stated, doncha know!)

also, i'd bet that they're still equal. if they were the same, Eragon got pumped up from the elves and Murtagh from Galbatorix, so i agree that Eragon only lost from fatigue.

i still think it's corny how CP keeps making him so powerful, though...

suncrafter · 07-08-2007, 10:47 AM

The movie was disappointing to me.

Acalewia · 07-10-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

um, in response to a few posts up there, yeah, it says in the first book that he's Murtagh's equal in swordplay, and i said that up there. (read the sentance! parenthetically stated, doncha know!)

also, i'd bet that they're still equal. if they were the same, Eragon got pumped up from the elves and Murtagh from Galbatorix, so i agree that Eragon only lost from fatigue.

i still think it's corny how CP keeps making him so powerful, though...

Smartass

durinsbane2244 · 07-11-2007, 09:04 PM

emphasis on the first syllable, i trust.

06-03-2007, 05:11 PM	#161
Beren3000 Fëanorophobic Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the pages of a book Posts: 1,417	I seem to have walked in on an ongoing discussion here, but I just had to give my opinion about this book. It was highly unoriginal, but who can blame the poor guy? I once read a saying that goes more or less like: "most modern fantasy just rearranges the furniture in Tolkien's attic". I think there are only so many fantasy "archetypes" that it takes a true genius to write something original in that vein nowadays. That said, I still enjoyed the book! Last edited by Beren3000 : 06-03-2007 at 05:12 PM.

06-30-2007, 02:50 PM	#170
ayra Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kalia. YOU HUMANS CAN'T GO THERE! Also land of boredom Posts: 230	Nope. At least I don't think it is. At the end of the second book, Murtagh let Eragon go because they had been friends and he could not let Galby get him. At least that is what I think. __________________ I am Queen Tallie Falcon. Do not mess with me. US KALIANS WILL RULE THOSE FROM THE REPUBLIC! Kalia rocks!

07-02-2007, 10:10 PM	#171
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	i've got a point to make and a question. isn't it rather feeble how silly Eragon's powers are getting? ok, you can't fight anyone worth anything. well, after some practice, you are now the GREATEST HUMAN SWORDSMAN IN THE WORLD (him and Murtagh)! so you've been cripples and can't beat a snotty elf? no problem! naked chicks with tatoos will dance and you'll be an elf-hybrid who's super-powerful even more so! can't keep your stamina up? you can store your energy in this belt! blah blah blah... anyway, the question. why do you think Galbatorix's power has been growing rather than diminishing? dun dun dun... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-05-2007, 12:33 PM	#173
Acalewia Halfelven Daughter of the Dunedain, President of Entmoot Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In trouble. As usual. Posts: 4,674	DB, you're a mess. But you state a very good question. I agree with me, Eragon was already tired from using his magic over the course of a battle, Murtaugh had not. In the first book, CP says they are equal. I'm sure they are still equal. __________________ "Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life!"~ inked Don't meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. "Don't be such a sour wolf" Stiles ~ Heart Monitor http://www.wattpad.com/user/IceQueenofMitera

07-05-2007, 02:48 PM	#174
The last sane person The Black Númenórean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	No way they are still equal. Murtagh could keep up with a dragon rider even as he was not one himself, and he knew more about magic than Eragon did from the begining, he just couldn't use it. Now he has a dragon, he should be waaaay far above Eragon, whom btw, is the ultimate wimpy superhero ever. __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

07-06-2007, 12:30 PM	#175
Acalewia Halfelven Daughter of the Dunedain, President of Entmoot Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In trouble. As usual. Posts: 4,674	I digress. I didn't think about that. Maybe if he would quit pining for a certan elf... __________________ "Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life!"~ inked Don't meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. "Don't be such a sour wolf" Stiles ~ Heart Monitor http://www.wattpad.com/user/IceQueenofMitera

07-06-2007, 11:49 PM	#177
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	um, in response to a few posts up there, yeah, it says in the first book that he's Murtagh's equal in swordplay, and i said that up there. (read the sentance! parenthetically stated, doncha know!) also, i'd bet that they're still equal. if they were the same, Eragon got pumped up from the elves and Murtagh from Galbatorix, so i agree that Eragon only lost from fatigue. i still think it's corny how CP keeps making him so powerful, though... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-08-2007, 10:47 AM	#178
suncrafter Hobbit Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 21	The movie was disappointing to me. __________________ Proud webmaster of: "Orc Magazine" Visit my Forum too!

07-11-2007, 09:04 PM	#180
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	emphasis on the first syllable, i trust. __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

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