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Let me see if I can just name "most" of the action of the top of my head,
-Great Battle-----------------------------------Book -Isildurs death---------------------------------Book -Hobbits head cut off-------------------------PJ -Farmer Maggot chasing---------------------PJ -Riders chase them to Bucleberry Ferry---Book -Riders crash down gate---------------------PJ -sam and comp. start to confront strider-PJ -Wraiths stab beds---------------------------Book -Fight on Weather Top----------------------PJ -Flight to Ford--------------------------------Book -Wizard Duel----------------------------------PJ -Birds spot Fellowship-----------------------Book -Uruk hai being made-----------------------Book - Caradhras-----------------------------------Book -foul creature in the water-----------------Book -Balins tomb----------------------------------Book -Balrog----------------------------------------Book -Parth Galen---------------------------------Book Ya some scenes were changed but they were still scenes from the book. I'm guessing that PJ had about 4 minutes of action that were just his ideas. And the rest was Tolkeins work, it may be a little extended but its still in Tolkeins books. And obviously most of this action that is complained about is from the books. So if you say the films are typical action films, are you also saying that the books are typical action books, because 80 percent of the action comes from the books! Oh and ya I guess yelling at the council should be on the list as well. |
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The rider chase to the ferry was not in the book.
The "Great Battle" was told as a story (not true action). The Riders do crash a gate (see Knife in the Dark) Sam does confront Strider in the book (altho no "longshanks!) Uruk-Hai were not "made" in the book. The fight at Weathertop was in the book but very changed in the movie. Many of the scenes from the book are "juiced up" as has already been noted. Another PJ scene is the stair leap. Not exactly a plot/character development shot. Some of the juice up scenes are fine, like the watcher in the water, which was over the top but not egregiously so. The troll fight was OK except it was too extended and the wound to Frodo was too extreme to be believable. The stair jump was just silly. There is really nothing wrong with action but when it stretches the limit of one's ability to "suspend disbelief" it does detract from the movie. Adding action to Tolkien is like putting ketchup on prime rib.
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-Great Battle-----------------------------------Book -Isildurs death---------------------------------Book/PJ changes In the movie the one Ring doesn't burn Isuldur's hand (he's wearing a glove) also they only show him floating in the water - not that he wear the ring to become invisible and was shot when the Ring slipped off his finger. -Hobbits head cut off-------------------------PJ -Farmer Maggot chasing---------------------PJ -Riders chase them to Bucleberry Ferry---PJ -Riders crash down gate---------------------PJ -sam and comp. start to confront strider-Book In the movie - Strider/Aragorn does not pull out Narsil and there is no "All that is gold" poem. -Wraiths stab beds---------------------------Book -Fight on Weather Top----------------------PJ -Flight to Ford--------------------------------PJ You can't even say that the Flight to the Ford was in the book with the way Jackson changed it. -Wizard Duel----------------------------------PJ -Birds spot Fellowship-----------------------Book -Uruk hai being made-----------------------PJ -Caradhras-----------------------------------PJ In the movie PJ has Saruman causing the storm. -foul creature in the water-----------------Book -Balins tomb----------------------------------Book/PJ changes PJ had extended the scene more than it needed to be. -Balrog----------------------------------------Book -Parth Galen---------------------------------Book/PJ changes The fight with the orcs was over done and the Urak Hai were nothing the way they are described in the books. I would also like to know where the "normal" orcs came from in the Two Towers - because they are no where in the battle in Parth Galen.
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It's truly a shame that the world will never get to see a true "purist" LOTR movie with Glorfindel, Tom Bombadil, singing, and plenty of jolly exciting stuff with characters sitting around and talking about what happened to them. Instead we'll have to suffer through another action-movie from this hack Jackson. |
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Oh, if we get started on the narsil we'll be here all night. Now Arwen's going to shlep it all the way to Gondor. It alters Tolkien's view of the character only being a part of a greater event and makes it into some psychological journey fo Aragorn. No longer is her selfless but now a wallower in an emotional morass. His change bothers me more than P&M. Quote:
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You obviously know nothign about Film making if you think that the way jackson made the movies was the only way to make them exciting and that it was impossible to keep true to the books.
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That doesn't seem like a very good idea to me, BB. Although it would have been more dramatic to wait for the council to reveal the ring's full history. Tolkien's slow reveal is far better than "Here's the whole story up front so your tiny brains won't get all confused along the way." I love the prologue, but the timing is poor. This would have saved time by elimiating the repeated returns to Isildur to add detail later. Quote:
I hear the academy is just abuzz about the King Kong remake.
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I think Bakshi's version is just as bad as PJ's
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I put in my Bakshi version and double checked and Aragorn pulls out Narsil - not a fully forged sword like Jackson has.
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Not Sam. bakshi's Sam was retarded and looked like the troll from central park.
but, you're right, despite the animation, it did stay closer to the books.
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I was making jokes with my brothers and how Aragorn looked like a "indian cheiftain"
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I thought Gandalf was really great in it(the bakshi version).
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The Council of Elrond was much better and it also included Bilbo.
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Although I enjoyed Bakshi's version in many respects it does contain its own share of faults.
(The Tolkien Sarcasm Page does a very good job of pointing out the faults of Bakshi's film.) In some respects, since I thought PJ&Co. version of LOTR was going to be a film adaptation of LOTR, I was puzzled about why he did not borrow what Bakshi did well. I thought Bakshi captured Bree well. I never thought of Aragorn as an Indian, but I see how this could happen. ![]() Sam I agree looked goofy.
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