01-06-2006, 02:33 PM | #161 | |
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History is wonderful if you can make it up as you go, just ask our old nemesis Adolph about it. He made it up and acted on it. Or, did he? Got any proof that is objective, extant, historical?
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01-06-2006, 02:45 PM | #162 | |
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I dont really understand how anyone can sincerely argue that non believers should fund promotion of idols to anothers religion. It seems pretty elementary to me. And again I ask why cant these people just put up this stuff on their own property? Why force non believers to pay for it on public property? That is clearly imposition of a specific religion. The argument I heard made that basically 'well if you dont like it move out' is really quite frightening way of thinking if you ask me. And rather anti american...
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I see how this trend could be frightening to you, and I'm glad you can how it's somewhat frightening to me, but fright isn't my major emotion - it's more a sense of watching a wrong being done by the strong to the weak. I'm not frightened of what secularists can do. I see what they're doing as a wrong that needs to be spoken out against and fought against, but if they win, that's how it goes. My destiny isn't bound up in what secularists do. I think your sentence sums it up : "I've always felt that religion is something that should be observed in private, without government interference." Here's where we differ - I feel that our government is a representative one, and it should reflect the people that it represents, including expressions of belief if they so desire, from any type of belief. I think celebration and beliefs ARE a part of life, and it can be reflected by the government in things like 4th of July parades on public property and manger scenes on public property.
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Question for all - do you guys think the carving of Moses holding the 10 commandments on the front of the Supreme Court buildling of the United States of America should be sandblasted off? Quote:
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01-06-2006, 07:08 PM | #165 |
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Now here's an interesting ACLU thing - what do you guys think about the ACLU defending a person's "right" to make virtual child porn?
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01-09-2006, 10:56 AM | #166 | |
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01-09-2006, 06:11 PM | #167 |
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and how do you explain the statue of Moses holding the 10 commandments smack dab in the center of the Supreme Court building?
I agree with you to a certain degree that SOME of the founders took a generic deistic POV, but I still would say that to deny that our country's general background is Judeo-Christian is pretty ... well, incorrect. Any comments on the virtual child porn thing? Is that a freedom of speech that should be protected?
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01-09-2006, 06:16 PM | #168 | |
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I assume that this is what you are talking about:
http://www.aclu.org/privacy/speech/1...g20020508.html Their position seems pretty clear - to protect our civil liberties. Protect First Amendment. They don't advocate child porn of course. Don't be silly. Quote:
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01-09-2006, 06:59 PM | #170 |
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I said virtual child porn - are you just fine with that, Hobbit?
I read half of your first link - will have to finish later. I've read the second before and think it's quite one-sided.
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Take your time Yes, the first link deals with virtual child porn.
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01-09-2006, 07:48 PM | #172 |
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but what is YOUR opinion on it? Do you think making realistic virtual child porn and/or selling it should be a form of protected free speech?
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01-10-2006, 09:45 AM | #173 | |
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the statue of moses in the supreme court building is fine by me... it represents one of the many sources of our legal system, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if it was removed either what makes our country work is our laws and the people who enforce and preserve them, not where they came from
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a society has to make laws against actions we deem evil, but it is more difficult when it comes to thoughts... i think that when we try to supress them, we often make them more powerful... allowing something like virtual child porn might at least keep those who are obsessed by such a thing from taking their obsession into the real world, much like allowing the KKK to demonstrate lets them vent their evil thoughts as opposed to actually expressing them in actions the obvious argument against this is that it would encourage real life expression of this kind of evil... but i think this kind of evil stems from how one is brought up, not something they come across as an adult, and it's existance is not going to encourage anyone who finds such a thing evil anymore than it's supression would discourage someone who does not it's a very difficult issue and i am not 100% sure where i stand on it, but i don't think it is a bad thing that the ACLU has brought the debate up... i think it is a good thing
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01-10-2006, 11:03 AM | #175 |
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That's a toughie. My instinct is that it is gross and shouldn't be allowed.
Isn't it odd though, how it would be OK to have a computer game with virtual murder but not one with virtual kiddy fiddling? |
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01-10-2006, 01:57 PM | #177 |
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PS - In the UK, making a kiddie porn game would probably already be illegal here in the UK.
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01-10-2006, 05:09 PM | #179 | |
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Here's a wild one - perhaps it's because there are some forms of "acceptable" killing, such as shooting someone coming after your kids with a knife. I'm not aware of ANY acceptable forms of child molestation.
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01-10-2006, 05:13 PM | #180 |
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