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I think that to a Christian also needs to believe that Jesus died for our salvation, thus giving us eternal life in Heaven. Actually, probably most of the what's detailed in the Nicene Creed are fundamental Christian beliefs. |
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I didn't think to include the Nicene Creed, but it's (of course) perfect! Maybe the Lord's Prayer as well. We used to sing it in my congregation, to the most beautiful tune. Quote:
My religious knowledge is very, very small. My spiritual knowledge is a little more abundant. I've forgotten most of the hymns and prayers that I used to know, since I haven't attended a church service in ages! I'm also not sure what you mean by historically defined concept. Do you mean, by the Creeds, the Nicene Creed that Linaewen so kindly linked for us? I also don’t know much of the history of Anglicanism, except that it was started by Henry VIII during his reign for various reasons, some good some bad. Quote:
I also believe that angels are good, spiritual beings, but after that I have no idea what angels are like. I do believe strongly that it’s more complex (and perhaps less anthropocentric) than “Touched by an Angel” or any movie made about angels. Quote:
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I think the tendency towards homosexuality can be greatly reduced, just like my tendency towards laziness and selfishness can be greatly reduced, through God's help and healing. But just like I think I'll probably battle with laziness all my life, I think a homosexual will battle with homosexual urges all their life. It's a very deep area in a person's life. But God is deeper .... I think the tendencies can be reduced, and the acting on the tendencies can be reduced, and even stopped. And the only reason a person would even attempt to reduce/heal a tendency in ANY area is if they think it is wrong. And BTW, gossip is in the same list as homosexuality as examples of wrong things. I don't think a homosexual is specially "wrong" or "bad" at all - I think they are precious, valuable people, loved by God, and the loving includes telling us what is harmful and wrong in us, and providing help and healing for it.
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Oh I see what you mean now. Thanks R*an!
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Hey Arien, good to see ya! W00t all my Moot buddies are posting again!
Satan has angels? Okay, I have no idea what an angel is then, apart from a spiritual being. I think Satan exists, but not in the "typical" way we imagine. (Ie. Horns, legs of goat, pitchfork etc.) I do think Satan is a real being, despite my fairly loose definitions of everything in this department. Actually I'm not sure about this either. But evil exists. This I'm sure about. EDIT: Satan has to be a real being, where else would evil come from? So... confused... EDIT2: Because God made the Universe, even Satan who wasn't always evil. That means God made the one who made evil. So if God made evil (sort of) Satan doesn't have to exist at all. And God is benevolent, can this coexist with making evil? If God is all-powerful this couldn't be accidental. Argh, I can't think anymore. *brain leaks out ears*
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What! No classes? Make haste to mend that deficiency. I'd suggest MERE CHRISTIANITY by CS Lewis for starters. If you have a copy of the Prayer Book for your region, check out a section called Catechism. Christians do mean specific things by their terminology. Quite specific and daunting things too. Dorothy L. Sayers, noted authoress of detective fiction and translator of Dante and lay theologian, has a short book that your Univeristy library should have on hand known as CREED OR CHAOS. I recommend it to your perusal as well. The remark about Satan and the fallen angels suggests a less than complete grasp or teaching about the nature of evil and exactly what and whom Jesus did save us from. Yes, Satan (aka the Devil, aka Lucifer, aka Angel of Light) was a created being, originally good, with free will, who set himself against his Creator and led many angelic beings in rebellion against God. His opposite is Michael the Archangel, not God. Check out my postings (and others' as ell in Evil in Middle Earth). Subsequently, Satan led mankind into the self-same VOLUNTARY rebellion from which God has made a deliverance available. Jesus of Nazareth, son of Mary the Virgin, was the taking of human nature by the God of All, truly human and truly divine, truly crucified, truly dead and buried, truly resurrected, and truly ascended, who shall return in glory to judge both the living and the dead. This what is meant by Christians using the term Son of God (cf. Apostle's, Nicene, Athanasian, and Creed of Chalcedon, as well as the Thirty-Nine articles. See your Prayerbook.) The Holy Spirit is God at work in the lives of men and women now and throughout all time. Thus we have the active personal God who created all that is and continues creating now, revealed in a specific historical person, accomplishing His goals in the world today: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (the Trinity). So, when you say you are an Anglican Christian, this is what you say. Now, is that what you mean? Edit: See also the Silmarillion forum and thread Iluvatar Good and Evil .
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I started a new thread about Theology because it's not really what I believe (since I don't know any! ). EDIT: Cross-post with Merry, who I think is right about the Angel of Darkness, unless there's some deep theological other meaning.
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(I agree! That topic deserves its own discussion.)
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LOL R*an!
Okay, let's pause a moment and recap. What sort of things are we talking about? Anything on homosexuality will now go to its own thread, and inked's interesting theological stuff will go to the new and spiffy theology thread. We also don't have to talk about religious matters. That reminds me of something. I think it's not so important to know the nuts and bolts of your religion as long as you follow its intent. IOW, for me, since I know enough to love and worship God, that's okay. I would like to know more of the nuts and bolts, because I do love God, and it's interesting. That being said, I still think Sunday School totally rules. Here's something hopefully interesting. At the rate we either use or destroy resources on this planet, humanity will eventually need to find another one! Not tomorrow or next year, but we are not operating in a long-lasting way. All other animal populations on the planet would have experienced a major population crash by now. This is unacceptable to humans, this is one of the things that separates us from our animal neighbours. Actually finding another planet with acceptable living conditions is next to impossible, even if we did possess the technology. We had better get organized, or we will no longer be able to avoid a very severe population crash. And after the crash, I think we will never be able to regain the overall quality of life we currently experience. So ask me anything about the distribution of resources, or any other question as well!
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Sorry, now it's the turn of the thread-starter to make a proclamation
This thread is about beliefs that are behind your worldview; i.e., those that drive your moral choices. You can start another thread about distributions of resources, if you'd like to And you haven't answered a coupla my questions yet, and I'd like to hear your answers! I'll go back and number them so I can keep better track of them, then I'll re-post the ones you didn't get to yet, OK?
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example - "That necklace would look so beautiful on you! You really deserve it, it's not your fault you didn't get that raise and can't afford one like it! And she's just waaaay too vain and conceited about herself and that necklace, and it would really do her a great deal of good to lose it. You'd really be helping her out. It's not good to be vain, after all. And you know your boyfriend would buy you one like that if he could afford it, anyway, so you really should have it. She isn't even home now, she'll never know it was you, and you'll really be helping her out. And she'll think it got lost while she was packing her stuff, and since she's moving out of town, she'll never see you wear it ..."
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 10-21-2004 at 04:01 PM. |
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OK, at this point, I'll re-ask #6:
6. And to throw in another point to ponder on the question of what makes a Christian - the Bible notes that the demons believe in God, and they believe that Jesus is the Son of God - does that make them Christians? ... and pose #7: 7. If you were not a Christian, would your life look any different? IOW, how does being a Christian play out in your day-to-day life?
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