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Beautiful city eh? It's on my list of Canadian cities to visit. (I PMd you about cities because that was getting OT.) Now... what do discuss... One important thing to Canada-USA relations is NAFTA (which has existed for 10 years). In 1990 it was just the Free Trade Agreement between Canada and the USA. Some Canadians, like the NGO (non-government organization) the Council of Canadians, do not like NAFTA. Others are completely for it. But I suspect that most people don't have an opinion because they don't know enough about it, or don't care. I'm not quite sure what to make of it, but I do have an opinion about one part, the softwood lumber dispute. If NAFTA as a whole is worthwhile for the USA, Canada, and Mexico, then I think it's worth putting the effort to solve these disagreements. Otherwise, why not just throw it out the window? A "Free Trade Agreement" implies to me that trade between our three countries will be duty-free. I guess my questions are: 1. Does this work? (It was pointed out earlier in this thread that both Canada and the USA have imposed duties on certain products anyway - I don't know about Mexico.) 2. Is it really a benefit? (Free trade seems beneficial, but is it really? I'm afraid my knowledge in this area is rather limited.) Lastly, if you guys do want to talk about the softwood lumber dispute, here's the BC government's page on it: Softwood Lumber Home Page.
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For our part I'd like to say thank you to Canada for Bob & Doug (How's it go'n, eh?), Rush, and Mike Myers. This is offered in the spirit of this thing termed "Relations" that everyone seems to be talking about...lol
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from an english POV, all i can say is how could you give us cyndi lauper, canada?
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This from the country that brought us the Spice Girls?
Besides, I like Cyndi Lauper.
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goys and birls just want to have fun!
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See, I offer a bit of gratitude for a few contibutions and everyone sounds off without saying thanks for Jazz, Sargent (the painter), Norman Rockwell, Oregon Beer, Cali Wines, the Corvette, Moby, Mark Twain, Tractor Pulls Lawn mower races , Hemingway, Colt 45, John Deere Tractor, 55 Ford Pickup-Red, Fender guitars (vintage), 1980 US Hockey Team, JEEP, Life magazine, National Geographic Magazine, and of course...JD
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oh yeah, thanks for fenders!
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Erm.... yes. Well, after that pleasant interlude, if you guys don't actually want to talk about North American relations, we can quietly let this thread drift to the bottom.
But future posts chit chatting about various musical artists, cars, trips to Ontario, and other good times should find a home at the Café.
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So this is why I won't be on much for the next couple of days. I also have to meet with a potential sales person for AboutNewJersey.com on Thursday - and then on friday I have to meet with my marketing director. So - sorry Nurv - it's not that I'm not interested - just incredibly busy this week. After the event we're going out to dinner with him and his wife.
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sounds really interesting, JD
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Ah- N American relations...umm...? I don't really know what to say; not up on Canadian politics (tho I should be, knowing a bunch of people from Canada) nor Mexican. I could talk about the Mexican-American War, lol (1846-48).
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This is I accidently put into the accomplishments thread.... Nurv - there was just on C-SPAN3 a speech by the US Ambassador to canada with a question and answer period called - U.S.-Canada Relations. It was hosted by The Canadian Club Sadly I came in on it late and C-SPAN doesn't have the video on their site. I'm hoping they will rebroadcast it. One thing he mentioned at the end to a question he was asked concerning the differences in canada versus america was that the American President - contrary to people's beliefs - has limited power and is co-equal to Congress.
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No worries JD, I'm fairly busy these days too (maybe not that much though ). That talk sounds pretty cool, I hope it goes well, and your meeting too. (Happy cramming! Students everywhere are with you. )
The President is as powerful as the entire Congress? I didn't know that - many people don't I'm sure.
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I still wonder what would have happened if Quebec left Canada - since there were about 4 provinces who publicly declared they would also leave - but they would join the US (BC being one of them). I'm sure we would have wlecomed them if they wanted too - but there would need to be a change the provincial governments - but I'm not sure how different they are. It would have been a hard transition for Canadians. [edit]There is one thing in here that is always difficult for me to comprehend. Chritien says that they "betrayed his government". In the US it is NOT the president's government - it's not congress's government - it is the citizens of United States' government. So it's our government. It just seems like with PMs the government is disconnected from the people. it's not just canada either - it's all the parliamentary systems - Britain, Israel etc. When i was younger and heard that "such an such government fell". I always thought there was a revolution. because here - the only way our government can fall is by a revolution and we throw out the Constitution. We have had the same goverment for about 225 years. Our government isn't defined by the people holding office. [/edit]
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The other side is - would you want us? I guess it would be worthwhile in the end, but there would be a lot of laws to be ironed out. Maybe we would need to write new ones, because some things are federal laws that are state laws for you, and we'd have to transfer them over. Plus, what would happen to our five national parks (Yoho, Mt. Revelstoke, Glacier, Pacific Rim, and Kootenay)? Currently, that's federal land. What about our Universities? Welfare laws? Provincial sales tax? These and a bazillion other things big and small would plague us for at least 5 years. However, I doubt we would have separated. Our government or someone might have said we would leave, but I don't think a referendum would be successful. It wasn't (barely) in Québec, and they obviously had the most desire to leave. I don't think Québec will want to separate in 5 or 10 years. Since the referendum, seperatist support has declined. For example, after three consecutive Bloc Quéquois provincial governments (the separatist party), the provincial Liberals were elected in 2003. Another factor is different native groups, mostly in Northern Québec. There are a number of land claims and reservations , and the general feeling among native groups was that they wanted to stay in Canada. One spokesperson, IIRC, said that if Québec gets to seperate, then they get to seperate from Québec and rejoin Canada. I also think it would be awkward for the Maritime provinces. How do Alaska and Hawaii find being so separate from the rest of the country? (Maybe they want to join Canada! While we're at it, can we have Maine? ) Québec government Quote:
When we elect new governments, we don't throw our Constitution out either - I'm not quite sure what you meant by that comment. We wouldn't say a government "fell" if they didn't get re-elected either. I can see one difference though, we elect new governments, we haven't had the same government for the past 137 years. In that way, its members do define the government. But we've had the same Constitution for 137 years. [edit] Quote:
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Nurv,
I understand the complexity of thought about Canada transitioning to be a part of the USA (were that to ever occur). My own experience is that I am natally a South Carolinian (aka a "Sandlapper"), a Southerner (a regional designation of the re-unified United States of America post-1865), a Rebel (a person of heritage of the Confederate States of America in the War of Northern Aggression aka the Civil War of the USA), and a citizen of the United States of America. Throw into that mix 12 years of Virginian and 10 years of Texan with a dash (8 months) of Missourian, and you get that ecletic reality - an American (by the grace of God, dammit!) . I think you Canucks could adapt!
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And that's all within the same country!
We weren't talking about all of Canada though, JD had suggested that BC (and a few other provinces) were considering leaving if Québec left, and BC said they would join you guys.
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Hey Nurvi... Why'incha say somethun...???
Happy Canadian Flag Day!!
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