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or the Communists in USSR and currently in China, you mean, BJ?
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O great and glorious, GW:
You shall never convince BJ that truth is absolute. I should know. I have been challenging the absolutism in his "everything is relative" for years and it still hasn't gotten past his Siegfried Line of calciumed cranium. The only absolute is BJ's contention that everything is relative. I am considering a trial of a depleted uranium encased projectile, but I have little hope that it could penetrate his obduracy that only one thing is absolute and that's relativism. Good luck!
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Historically, people now viewed as Christian "fundamentalists," did force people to change their religion, and used incredible violence against people who didn't share their faith. However, "fundamentalism," is defined in the dictionary as strict adherence to doctrine, and unwillingness to change that doctrine. Christians who reinterpret scripture or ignore major parts of it are not fundamentalists.
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Basically, it comes back to perspective. Do you approach a problem with a clean slate, or do you frame it within the limitations inherent to any written piece of work. Times change, situations change, people change, and that is what is missing from fundamentalism, the acceptance of change and ultimately true "choice". I would argue that telling someone that they have to accept everything a particular scripture adheres to or nothing at all is not really giving that person a real choice at all.
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Ah, BJ, surely you must admit that "even if there is a Creator and absolutes, there is no way of knowing what they are (absolutely)" is belied by your evangelical approach to absolute relativism. If the Creator were to tell what the absolutes were, one could know absolutely what they were. Just like you insisting that relativism is absolute certainly.
Now it would appear that you and the Creator (who has told us the absolutes and lived them out) have the same problem: the listeners aren't paying attention or are listening to their own ideas. This should give you a point of contact with the Creator so as to be able to hear.......... .
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But Christians also view scripture truth as being part of the "real world." I'll respond to the rest of your post later today, if I have time.
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But I suggest you read more about the early KKK. You'll find that their motivations and actions had a lot more to do with reaction to northern occupation of the south than you may think. They were trying to protect their way of life. This involved slavery to a large degree, but that was only part of the picture. But they were christians, so any evidence that might parallel the muslim experience would be justified away I suppose. All I can say is keep reading and thinking.
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