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11-26-2004, 04:02 PM | #162 |
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I merely said Blair as he is the PM and this is a thread about UK Polotics.
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The situation in which Hiter came into power is very different from Britain today.
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There is a reason why the US still uses the dollar bill and now has TWO failed one dollar coins - because we the people control much more of our government than other countries do. And we do not want the coins and have therefore refused to use them. Quote:
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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11-26-2004, 04:50 PM | #168 |
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No, but if this does become a problem there are many people to be trusted in the government. They won't let a nation become exploited like that. There isn't anything to guarentee it though but there also isn't anything to guarentee that America will bomb England tomorrow is there, yet this is unlikely. Your theory may not be as extreme as this yet the British people won't elect some one who will do this to us.
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As a for instance - I do not fully support the patriot act- nor am I completely against it. I would feel much safer if it was made into something that had to come before congress every so many years and be renewed. I do not think that what is in the Patriot Act would be required forever. Extreme measures have to be taken into account at times of war though. Quote:
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Yet these things could be happening anywhere, not just Britain.
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11-26-2004, 05:41 PM | #172 |
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Maybe the British are slightly more trusting than the Americans. I'm not sure. But I haven't heard anyone object to security cameras so at the moment we must be fine with it.
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11-26-2004, 06:00 PM | #174 | |
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"Now, the world's (not just the UK, but the entire world's) problems are all due to one, and only one cause. LIFE. LIFE is a 100% terminal SEXUALLY-TRANSMITTED disease. If the governments of GB et alia can eliminate sex, within one generation they will have eliminated poverty, war, crime, disease, and the whole host of problems associated with verminous humans. Such a solution would be the ultimate in EQUALITY - social/political/gender/legal/et cetera ad nauseum discriminations would be eliminated; JUSTICE - same principle applied to everyone ('course the next generation won't gripe 'cause it won't exist); LIBERTY - all existent humans will be able to choose their final destination (pardon me for suggesting there are two!). So, eh? Shall we have GB apply the concept first and observe? Surely someone in your nanny-state will see the proposal and seek to act on it?" Quote:
Also, though I failed to note the effect on cigarette smoking it will solve that problem in its entirety as well. IN FACT, I AM SURPRISED AT THE LACK OF ENTHUSIASM FOR THIS SOLUTION TO ALL PROBLEMS - especially the surveillance camera thingy. And the speed trap, especially! In all seriousness now. The ill effects of smoking were not linked to cancers except indirectly as in chimneysweeps and skin cancers from residual tars until smoking became widespread during and after WWI. The time lag was crucial and it was normal for the USA to issue cigarettes (oh, and condoms) to service personnel in WWII. The world wide mortality rate was generally set at age 40 yrs, so it wasn't until the survival of WWI vets and increases in cancers with autopsy driven linkages and large scale studies on WWII era people suggested the linkage. Smoking was once considered healthful and an aid to digestion in the interwar period but came under increasing attack post-1960 here in the USA (land of the semi-free smoking restrictions). So, it is a phenomenon of the longevity of the WWI-forward era. Note that in the 3rd world where mortality remains very much unchanged, smoking is quite popular and first-world suppliers do their best for the largest market share. It is very much an individual decision, I think. (I mean, if your government security cameras are capable of peeking into your windows, wouldn't you rather they caught you in flagranto smokio rather than in flagranto delicto?) I think if they so heavily tax cigarettes and alcohol that they make them unavailable, those of us lucky enough to have arable property will have to go homegrown on both! And you large city-dwellers in the midst of London will be out of luck (as say NYC or Tokyo, too) .
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You didn't answer my question. You're claiming that Woodrow Wilson was motivated by a desire to reduce government power in his plans for post-war Europe?
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Woodrow Wilson was a boyhood hero of mine but I have not read about him recently so my (faulty) memory may be in error. What I was attempting to convey was the desire on the part of Wilson to reduce the vengeful nature of the French reparations (and other nations subjected to the Kaiser's government's aggression). I recall that he used the example of such vengeance from the post-Lincoln US government's Reconstruction policies in the conquered Confederate States after what we euphemistically refer to as the WAR of NORTHERN AGGRESSION. The effects were disastrous and led to poor economic recovery and the rise of the Ku Klux Klan with the subsequent attendant horrors. IIRC, Wilson was unable to convince the WWI allies of his points. The rest, as we know, is history! If I am in error in this, I trust the better informed shall correct me firmly but with a touch of mercy!
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Ah, I see. Thank you
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Yet with Big Brother the cameras in there are open for everyone to see yet the CCTV cameras aren't broadcasted acroos the TV. Only certain people can see them, not just anyone.
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