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Secondly, Neanders co-existed with sapiens. Neanders in Europe. Sapiens in Africa, and the Middle East. Sapiens are OLDER than neanders (at least according to the Out of Africa theory).
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Emplynx, khadrane, and myself all understand that. The problem is that we're looking at things very differently. We say that lizards change, and dogs change, but lizards do not change into dogs. You say that 'lizards' change into 'dogs'... albiet it's much more complicated than that. Hence the use of terms micro and macro evolution. People tend to confuse what are in fact rather different things. Before you go into the whole microX100000 = macro deal, think about this. It's possible to breed dogs in many different ways. We can make them big or small, etc. But tell me, is it concevieble that we could breed dogs to have horns? How would you even begin?
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A dog will only select for horns, if a mutation has occured, and the species will gain some advantage from it. But, since this mutation has not occured, it is rather moot to discuss it.
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I am not really buying into all of this common ansestor stuff. What you seem to be saying is that the dog didn't come from the lizard, but they both came from some common ansestor. How is that common ansestor any differant from it coming from a lizard? There is still no proof of a dog ever coming from something that isn't a dog.
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dude there are 7 or so scientific names with a certain group you can mate i do also recall something about a co-temperal neanaderthals and us however your tale of caveman in mordern close is a little strange he would just be a Neander in a suit but a neander just the same in the same article the discussion off of us mating with neanderthals was mentioned but i don't recall anything about what it said about that for you were adam and eve homo sapien sapien ?
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maybe an analogy for the common ancestor would be this
take an electric and a synthesior two very different instruments however the lyre is is a common ancestor
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They only have a common ancestor under your system. Under my system they're on completely different trees. Quote:
However, H.S an N.N. coexisting works at least as well, if not better, in my system. You could still breed H.S. to resemble N. Just cross the people with the flattest heads and heaviest bones. It wouldn't require macroevolution, just a reshuffling of genes that are already there. Quote:
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Do you honestly think there is a mutation which will cause a dog to grow horns? I find it rather nonsensical. Mutation + time seems to be the black box for evolution. I don't find it very convincing. Afro elf: I said I was not convinced that all the species in question were on the same tree. It would be easy to see lucy as a branch of some other primate tree. Archaeopterix fascinated me for the longest time. It does have features of birds and lizards. or it seems to. However, there are things that don't make sense. It has teeth, for one, and breeding a creature with teeth to one with a beak is about as likely as a dog with horns. There are other factors which lead me to think it's more likely a different animal altogether. It's very difficult to see how it could have evolved from 'lizards' into modern birds. I think that in order to really understand how neandrethals relate to us would be to meet some live ones. Maybe we could clone one... ]: ) Adam and eve... no. I think they would have been Homo Original. They would have been the descendants of all humans, and so would be fairly centerline in thier traits. "electric and a synthesior" I'm not sure what those are. But look at it in view of my system... The lyre is the ancestor of all stringed instruments. The gong may be the ancestor of precussion. A horn is the ancestor of brass. Et cetera. See what I mean?
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and 12string electric guitar and a synth both are very differenct but can be traced to the lyre
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It would be silly to oppose the theory of evolution according to animals... it's been tested and proven among small guppy populations (really... someone funded this).
Anyway, I don't agree with the theory of human evolution. If you want to believe that your primogenitor was a single-celled organism on the surface of prehistoric pond-scum (or another base life-form), that's your business. However, I will maintain that I am a child of God. In no way do I mean to sway your opinion; merely state my own.
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Come on, people, if you're going to argue against science, at least have some basic knowledge about what you're arguing against. There have been an awful lots of mistakes here.
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Here is a link. It is the family tree, so to speak. Not that I expect you to look at it. But, since I know you are not, I'll detail a little of it. It gives a good indication on the diversity of life that exists. Given the huge amount of 'families', it's not so hard for me to trace back species' to common ancestors.
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I really appreciate your frankness. I hope you did not and do not find my replies offensive in any manner. Does anyone else feel as though this thread has digressed? I see no near end in debating evolution further. I stick with my last post.
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