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you're welcome, katya m'dear!
Yes, I wanted to be married when I was little - and I've been married now for almost 20 years to a great guy! Not to say it's easy all the time - in fact, last night we had a big disagreement - but it's SOOOO worth it, and the good times FAR outweigh the bad It's a lot of work, but the results are WELL worth it! It's one of the best things I've ever done in my entire life But choose your husband carefully character is what's important! People will disagree, no matter WHO they are - it's just a fact of life - what matters is HOW you conduct the disagreement. We try to always conduct disagreements very carefully and with great honor to the other person, realizing that many disagreements are often just simple misunderstandings from imperfect communication, and it's better to hold back angry words than to apologize for them later when the damage has been done. I think being a "good wife" is an honorable goal, and I really resented Teresa Heinz Kerry's slurs against Laura Bush. How is it wrong to want something like a traditional marriage? What's wrong with you wanting a traditional family structure? Why would it be sexist? It reminds me of people who object to the Christian concept of "submission" of the wife to the husband in marriage, when they really have no idea of what it means, or are even aware of the much HARDER command to the husband to love his wife like Christ loves the church. They'll say things like, "You shouldn't submit to your husband! You should think for yourself!" And to them I respond, "You tell me to think for myself, yet you tell me to do what YOU think is right?! How is that thinking for myself?! I've THOUGHT for myself, thank you, and I think the Christian concept of submission (as opposed to what some non-Christians think it is) is an excellent one. So please don't tell me what to do - I refuse to submit to your opinion." Christian submission in marriage doesn't mean not thinking for yourself, nor does it mean brainless obedience. I should open a thread on that subject, it's an interesting one! Anyway, I say good for you, katya! It's a beautiful and honorable thing, IMO, for a girl to desire marriage and being a good wife.
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i would say the most admirable goal would be to follow what you would want, if 2.4 kids, house in the suburbs, man who works 9-5 a cat and a adog is what you want, then go for it girl, however if a high paying career, a house-husband, a nanny, 4 kids all in private schooling is what you want, then that is also good
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I am completely against the "submission" of the wife and think it's an archaic concept, but some people who cling to the bible seem to still support it.
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Many people that I've discussed this issue with have SAID things about Biblical submission that they can't back up with Bible verses, and when that happens, it is clear that they don't understand Biblical submission. Unless they want to claim that they know what GOD is thinking but just forgot to write down!
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I'm going to be VER blunt here - you seem to have a VERY judgemental attitude toward people who are NOT Christian - whether you think so or not.
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Again - she did not say 'ALL' - but in general, it could be a safe statement to make that in general, non-Christians don't understand the concept of Christian submission.
Just as you don't understand what the Bible says about slavery.
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BTW - how can you say it's a safe statement about what non-Christians thinking or not thinking? Has their been some poll taken that I don't know about? And she also didn't use the phrase - "in general".
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This whole approach of yours is getting lame.
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And no - instead you try to tel me what I know or understand - "Just as you don't understand what the Bible says about slavery." As you pointed out - I went to Catolic School for 12 years. You might find this amazing - but we actually did study the bible there too. Quote:
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Well - start your thread if you like. I'm off to bed now. Have to wake up for work in about 6.5... If you get something started, with quotes from scripture, I'll try to respond to it in the morning before I go. Note now - I'm looking for something where the Bible validates slavery - not just acknowledges it. After all, here's what you said: Quote:
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Thanks for responding (though I fear I should split this off - not sure just which post to begin with). A good passage too, but it doesn't truly condone slavery. It takes as a given that slavery exists (as it did at that time in possibly all 'civilized' cultures of the world), and actually makes it more humane. In other cultures, there was NO punishment for someone who killed their slave.
Take this as the first step forward.
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As for that not condonging slavery - but just looks at the times they lived in - give me a break. That excuse is only used by people who need to defend the bible at all costs. It does NOT condemn slavery - if god is all powerful - why wouldn't he condemn such a heinous act? As for making it more humane - how is allowing someone to suffer for a day or two before dying more humane? As I said - it seems as if many people who cling to the bible so much are completely blinded by their beliefs and will defend it no matter what. Quote:
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First of all, where do you get the part I underlined? That's presumptive. Second, my translation doesn't say that the beaten slave lingers a day or two and then dies, it says: Quote:
Not so sure that slavery used to be considered as heinous as it is in modern times. Life was rough all around in antiquity - and simply surviving, in any way, shape or form, was an achievement. And I still don't think the passage condones slavery - it simply begins to place limits upon it.
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