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12-01-2003, 12:12 PM | #163 |
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I think this is getting a bit heated, can we please just calm down an ounce/gram/whatever?
Saying that, i think you're all wrong. Hehehehehe... Look it's all over and there was no harm done. If your president was insulted by anything, that's regrettable. Unfortuanelty one of the problems with a democracy is that even demonstrative people get free speech. I don't know what your opinion of us is in America, but here in a british uni, we didn't want war, we didn't want the chaos caused by it in terms of the upheaval in Iraq, and we blame Bush because he was the most outspoken for this approach, and so with him the main responsibility lies. That certainly doesn't mean we hold Blair blameless. He did not listen and respond to his public, the people he is meant to represent, but instead tried to work in a manner that put himself forward favourably to America. probably not a bad move on paper, but if he'd thought about it a bit more, he may have tried to do things a little different. Unfortuanetly he'll probably be able to do this sort of thing for another 5 years because the conservative party haven't sorted themselves out yet.
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12-01-2003, 03:15 PM | #164 |
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The problem with Bliar is that he ought to know better; Bush is just doing what comes naturally. The worrying thing is that he (Bliar) seems to have this Thatcher-like belief that he's always right and he never listens to anyone who disagrees with him.
I'm not sure it's a foregone conclusion he'll win next time round. I know lots of Labour voters who will never vote for him again. If the Labour Party had any sense they'd kick him out and get Gordon Brown in. |
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I find it funny how you Brits speak of your leader. Tony Blair will go down as being one of the best things to ever happen for Great Britain and yet you are all so easy to criticize him. You should only be so lucky to have such a man of strong will and passion for your country. When I watched him speak to your governmental houses earlier in the year, in a sense, I wished he was our President or at least have our President hold the same character qualities that Tony Blair has. You say you wish he were gone, but years from now when he is gone, you will look back and appreciate what you had only to wish it were still there. Didn't people in England question Churchill and want him gone as well, only to find out how valuable he was to your country? History often repeats itself...
By the way, I've read a number of reports that have said over 60% of the people of England agreed with the war and all of that stuff...And that was just 2 weeks ago...
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This time, we elected them with a landslide and they've given us semi-privatised hospitals, hiked university fees, identity cards, presidential-style government and lied to the country to make us go to war. They have done some good things (e.g. Human Rights Act, devolution) but these are down to the work of Bliar's (increasingly sidelined) ministerial colleagues. I would vote for them, if they got rid of him. Quote:
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As for Churchill - you guys actually fired him because he was one of the few people in Europe who said that Hitler was a danger. Churchill repeatedly said something should be done about Hitler and Germany instead of appeasement. If Europe had listened to him - Hitler would have been stopped sooner and the lives of millions and millions of people would have been saved. Again Europe wants to constantly play the appeasement game.
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By the way - what exactly is "presidential-style" government?
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I can't decide whether you really are being spectacularly ignorant here, JerseyDevil, or are just trying to be offensive. Probably both, I'd guess. Scotland voted for Union with England in 1707, and therefore formed a new country, but has always retained a distinct legal, education and financial system. As for Northern Ireland being an occupied territory... "Presidential-style" means government by a leader and a group of hand-picked (often unelected) cronies. There is no discussion of policy at cabinet, Parliament is treated with disdain and controversial measures, which have no mandate, are pushed through regardless. |
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You're totally paranoid. Believe it or not, not everything is a jibe towards the US. I believe many other countries have Presidents, too.
Having a President is fine (especially one that's been voted in), but we don't, so it's not fine when the Prime Minister starts acting like one, because we don't have the same constitutional safeguards. The Union of the Crowns (when James VI of Scotland became James I of England) in 1603 meant that Scotland and England had the same monarch, but they didn't become the same country until the Act of Union in 1707 (voted for by the Scottish and English Parliaments). It's nicely illustrated in the history of the British flag, the Union Jack. This Act formed a new country. Saying that Scotland became part of England would be like saying Hawaii became part of Texas when it joined the US of A. It may interest you to know that the British troops were initially called into Northern Ireland to protect Catholic Nationalists from Protestant Loyalists. [EDIT] Here's some stuff about it from earlier on in this thread. Update would be that in the recent elections to the Northern Ireland Assembly, extremism won. The DUP (more extreme Unionists opposed to power sharing with Nationalists) and Sinn Fein (political wing of the IRA and more extreme Nationalists opposed to the Union with the UK) have just upped their respective shares of the vote Last edited by The Gaffer : 12-02-2003 at 10:08 AM. |
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One of the hideous things Bliar has done is replace the hereditary Lords with appointed ones, thus swapping a system of inherited power for one of patronage. BTW, I don't know where you get this anti-US idea from. I make no bones about my loathing for Bush, but have lots of admiration for the US Constitution and your country's respect for individual freedom. |
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Well, for that matter, if America had joined the League of Nations instead of hiding behind the oceans, WWII would quite probably have been averted altogether. Or if you had answered Churchill's pleas in 1939 you could possibly have saved yourself 400,000 deaths- giving a warning to Japan and all. Instead, by standing by, you convinced the Japanese (very wrongly) that you were a weak decadent democracy like France and Britain that wouldn't fight. Like Ronnie Reagan running from Beirut- funny how that never comes up when we 're talking about Clinton and Somalia.
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