03-29-2003, 08:34 PM | #161 |
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The Book of Shadows is a Wiccan's major reference book and log, where you write all the information you gather on various subjects, plus rituals, etc. It's a very personal book, usually written with a special pen called the "Pen of Art", and some people write it in a different language/script, although that makes it a little difficult to read. While that's good if you're trying to keep it secret, it's not that good if you're trying to find a certain piece of information in a hurry!
The pentagram is sort of like the cross for Christians and the Star of David for Jews. The five pointed star represents the elements of Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and Spirit. There's usually a pentacle on the altar. Hope that helps, GW; if not, find someone with more knowledge and experience!
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Ah, so it's kind of like a "Wiccan diary"? Is the name "Book of Shadows" taken from any older tradition of another religion, to the best of your knowledge? And, just to be completely annoying, why is it called the Book of Shadows?
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Yes, I believe many magic/magicks in various fantasies are based on old Pagan or neo-Pagan beliefs.
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It's probably a good source for ideas.
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It wasn't around in the 1600's; see the links from Coney and myself.
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No problem.
-pretends not to have read the second part...-
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Guess I'll just have to invent a conspiracy theory then!
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03-29-2003, 11:38 PM | #172 |
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I think some book with things like wicca have been found, but they aren't very easy to translate becomes the people writing didn't know how to write and therefore didn't write a lot down...they WERE peasents. Plus if it was in the 20th century why was the church trying to stamp it out around 476 AD and even then it wasn't a new thing? (I actually got out of the chair and checked To Ride a Silver Broomstick)
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03-29-2003, 11:48 PM | #173 |
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The reason it says that it started about 50 years ago is that its practice stopped begining illegal in 1952, it was already there, you can't ban something thats NOT THERE. The types practiced in America are thought to be newer because most of the really old wiccan clans are cliquish. its handed down by wrd of mouth so they don't really have any idea of how old it is.
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I highly doubt the Church was trying to stamp it out back then. I definitely doubt that they would have been giving attention to any group in particular, as they'd really gotten a foothold only 100-200 years ago, and they were probably still establishing themselves as the state religion. I don't believe so; it says that it was started by a specific person (Gardner, I think) around 1940; that's ten years before it was legalised, according to you. Why would they just say it started ten years before, instead of saying that it started ages and ages ago? Quote:
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First off ley me say you didn't pick a very good source. Second...Gardener only started the Gardener sect, we told you there were a lot of them and Gardener definately isn't the oldest...especially since one of the sects was started by one of the Salem witches.
http://www.dreamwater.net/silvercobweb/history.html May I present a less agnostic source?
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"Agnostic" would seem to me the best source, as it would be less biased towards either side. Also, Coney's most certainly seemed Wiccan to me. I find it a lot easier to believe Wiccans saying that it wasn't true, than I do to believe Wiccans saying that it was.
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The practice was there just not the name. It didn't NEED a name.
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Not in the same form as it is today, right?
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"The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!” |
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03-30-2003, 02:44 PM | #180 |
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TS, mate, hate to break it to ya, but on this subject, GW's right. Paganism was around before, true; that's what Wicca is based on, but Wicca itself didn't come into being until Gerald Gardner, in the 1950s.
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