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11-11-2004, 08:06 PM | #164 |
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I'm afraid JD has misunderstood me. I have issues with a group called The Christian Coalition. I do not have issues with other religious people, Christian and non-Christian. I do not believe my political party should cave in to these people in the Christian Coalition. One, because my party is made up of a lot of non-Christian religious people, and Two because our take on the issues is the moral one. Yes, I think legalised abortion is more moral than the alternative: faked crib deaths, back alley defrocked doctors, coat-hangers, etc. And I certainly do believe that support for gay rights is moral. Many churches have floats and march in the Gay Pride Parade in our city. The Christian Coalition does not represent them, and it certainly does not represent the host of non-Christians in this country.
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[edit]I guess we shouldn't have gotten involved with WWII - it wasn't our business - nor were we ever directly attacked by Germany. And even though Japan attacked - maybe we should have turned the other cheek. (this isn't necessarily direct at you Starr Polish).
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Actually it was about states' rights. And yes, you could argue that they felt it was being violated because SOME people in the North were abolitionists, but ultimately the issue was states' rights. Lincoln did NOT advocate the absolute abolition of slavery...he was simply against the spread of it into newly formed states/territories. He won the Republican candidacy because he was a moderate, not a radical.
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I have never used the expression Religious Right and I mentioned the Christian Coalition many times. What ticked Rian off was the phrase Republican Christian. She feels I am saying anyone who is a Republican is not a real Christian, and has gone to lengths to demonstrate the she does charitable works in accordance with the instructions Christ gave to his followers. I maintain that the policies of the current Administration are not Christian. But I admit that since I am not a Christian I can't speak on their behalf. I don't think he said, take care of the businesses so the poor people can hope to be hired without any health insurance. I think he said:
Matthew 25 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Rian does not interpret this to mean there should be government programs to help the poor. She seems to interpret it to mean she is personally responsible for her own charitable acts, and not those of her government. So that the person she elected President can let the poverty level rise, watch the number of people with healthcare decrease, but as long as he supports a Constitutional Amendment banning Gay Marriage, and says he prays, he must be a Christian. And isn't that what this whole "moral" vote discussion is all about? |
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As for the south - Lincoln did want slavery eliminated from the United States. That was why the south left. Believe me - I am well aware of the state rights issue - but the only reason why the south left to begin with was because the issue of slavery was NOT going to be left up to the states anymore.
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Elfhelm - why are you bothering to speak for everyone now? Is Rian not allowed to explain what she means? [Flamebait Deleted]
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Grr...I know this is off-topic, but it really bothers me when people say that Lincoln was all-for abolishing slavery. Perhaps personally he was, but as a political figure he never had "absolute abolishment" on his platform. He only wanted to stop the spread of it, and was going to let it exist.
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When the 9/11 Comission said there was no tie between them, Cheney said they didn't know what he knew. Then they said bring it over here and let us see it. Over that weekend he appeared on TV saying "we don't know", and finally Bush came out and said there is no tie between bin Laden and Saddam, but continued to say there were links to Al Qaeda. The links he meant was that one of the names of one of Saddam's underlings was very similar to the name of someone who met with one of the hijack pilots in Sweden. That was later shown to be a different person.
The fact is, even during the debates Bush was still saying that the war on Iraq is fundamental to the war on terrorism. And Cheney referred to Bagdad as "the heart" of terrorism. Bush said in his state of the union address when he wanted to justify invading Iraq that Iraq had nukes that could end up in the hands of terrorists. Is that not enough to support the claim that Bush and Cheney sold the war on Iraq to the American people as vengeance for the attacks on 9/11? |
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Show me where Bush said Iraq HAD nukes. Because the only thing they said was that Hussein was trying to get his hands on the material to make them.
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