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04-22-2006, 02:27 AM | #161 | |
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I hope you didn't write too much before you realized the mistake!
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04-22-2006, 02:37 AM | #162 |
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Naaaaw. If I had I would've just gone in and edited the person's post to make it look like they made a mistake and gave me a reason to correct them .
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04-22-2006, 05:39 AM | #163 |
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why post mine changed be? Nothing bad written be!!! Please me explain mr tessar, please? Last edited by Old toby's wicked weed : 04-22-2006 at 07:15 AM. |
04-22-2006, 07:08 AM | #164 |
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Apparently, referring to male anatomy is unclean.
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04-22-2006, 07:14 AM | #165 |
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I not remember such thing? |
04-22-2006, 07:17 AM | #166 |
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Yeah, if I found myself writing about hitler's bollocks, I'd have amnesia as well.
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04-22-2006, 07:41 AM | #167 |
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dat's der bunny.
not me remember what it was Mr tessar wiped away with his moderiting. That a song be. You whistle it. How be wrong writing this?? |
04-22-2006, 07:51 AM | #168 |
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Edited by Tessar
Anna, my dear, I don't even NEED to justify editing you. You know I love you, darling, and we edit the ones we love . But no, -really- people, lets be a little cleaner.
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04-22-2006, 10:06 AM | #169 | |
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But that only applies to societies where harems are acceptable- how many Jews are descended from Solomon, given his 700 wives and 300 concubines?- pretty near all of them, I would imagine. After all, Napoleon had only three children that we know of- he may have spawned a few on the side, but Genghis style fecundity requires a polygamous society. Stalin was supposedly a bit of a ladies' man, especially after the suicide of his second wife, but again- no huge number of children. Conquest as a way of spreading your genes has dropped off a lot with the passing of the acceptability of rape and enslavement of the enemy- though still popular in parts of Africa, and was apparently carried out by the Christians against the Muslims in the Bosnian War. |
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04-22-2006, 11:06 AM | #170 |
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My two cents on Hitler and Christianity:
Hitler believed in God or Providence, but didn't accept the tenets of the Christian faith. His outlook was modern and 'scientific', based on his twisted racial interpretations of evolution and the 'Survival of the Fittest'. As a penniless youth in Vienna, he was impressed by the Christian Social party, a right-wing anti-Semitic Catholic party, and the way it used religion to its advantage. Later, as a political leader he stressed the folly of opposing the Church while trying to obtain power in a Christian country; besides, any overtly anti-religious doctrine would be associated with Marxism. However, once in power he set about bending the Churches to his will. He believed ( like Lenin) that with the control of the young in the hands of the State, the Churches would wither and die. He had nothing but contempt for the universalist ideals of Christianity, or its exalting of humility or the Hereafter. If he'd remained in power he certainly would have continued to do what he could to subordinate Christianity to the State, and to eventually eradicate it altogether. This is based on general reading over the years, going back to college term papers on Fascist ideology. Most recently, I'd highly recommend "The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia" by Richard Overy, Professor of History at King's College. Also, from the Nuremberg Project: http://www-camlaw.rutgers.edu/public...g/nurinst1.htm |
04-22-2006, 11:13 AM | #171 | |
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04-22-2006, 11:17 AM | #172 |
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und morgen die Welt
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04-22-2006, 11:24 AM | #173 | |
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Speaking of which, would those who still think Hitler was a Christian please respond to those posts of mine, and post 114? I'm still semi-patiently waiting .
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04-22-2006, 03:48 PM | #174 | |
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Edited By Tessar: I'm impressed--only one word I had to edit this time! *huggles BoP* I'm so proud of you!!!!!111oneone!
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04-22-2006, 04:50 PM | #175 | |
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Btw, Lief, you wanted a quote from Hitler in which he says his goal is to eradicate the Jews:
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04-22-2006, 04:53 PM | #176 |
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In that statement, he doesn't make clear that he would order the eradication of the Jews. While from our current standpoint, we might easily jump to that conclusion, people wouldn't just assume that that was what he meant upon hearing this for the first time. Hitler said here that the destruction of the Jewish people would be a natural outcome of war. He didn't say he would do his best to bring that destruction about. That statement could easily have been considered a warning to the Jews, rather than a threat against them.
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If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do." Last edited by Lief Erikson : 04-22-2006 at 04:57 PM. |
04-22-2006, 05:06 PM | #177 | |
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Here's the full quotation:
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If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do." Last edited by Lief Erikson : 04-22-2006 at 05:12 PM. |
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04-22-2006, 05:11 PM | #178 | |
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But I suppose you aren't going to agree, so let's just stop... it's getting no where. By the way, I don't think Hitler was Christian. |
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04-22-2006, 05:18 PM | #179 | ||
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Sometimes the Germans announced destinations. They made concentration camps sound as though they were going to be beautiful hotels and good living conditions to the Jews they were taking to them, sometimes (I haven't done the investigation to find out how frequently this deception was used). Quote:
But I can well believe the German people were capable of ignoring evidence against Hitler at this time. They were enraptured with him, because he restored to them dignity, pride and an economy. He eradicated their despair, and this could easily blind people to the downsides of their hero.
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04-23-2006, 03:07 AM | #180 |
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The official line on the Jews was that they were being sent to work camps in the East. I would guess that most people thought that a lot of them were dying from mistreatment, and didn't really care, but did not actually know about the whole extermination camp programme.
If you get the chance, watch "Conspiracy", an HBO special with Kenneth Branagh. It's a chilling dramatisation of the Wannsee Conference, where 'The Final Solution' was organized. |
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