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aaaaah monster in human form!!!!! oh wait, j/k
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1 - because Christians are often characterized (sometimes fairly, most often not, IMO) as being mindless and hateful. I know; I've had these charges leveled against me solely because of my faith without anything to do with what I've said or shown in my life. 2 - No, of course not. 3 - A delicate question .... .... let's just say that because I think a right relationship with God is the best thing that can happen to someone, that I am disappointed, yes, but only in the sense of I wish only the best for everyone. You may disagree with me about the right relationship with God being the best thing, but I don't think you can complain about the reason for the disappointment, which is love. 4 - yes, IMO, for the reasons stated above, and ONLY for those reasons. But many people aren't Christian, obviously - I just try to do my best to love people in the way that Christ would. As far as friends, like I said, I look for kindness, etc. And most of my close friends in the non-Internet world ARE Christians, which is natural, since we have many common interests. Quote:
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hey, i know a bunch of gay ppl and they are some very cool ppl. it isnt thier choice either.
plus, my temple just got a new rabbi- and he is openly gay. i could care less.
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IR and Ruinel - Instead of quoting from both of your posts, because it will get too messy, I'll just try to clarify what I meant by what I said: 'there is no such thing as a "friendly warm happy healthy" homosexual relationship. And monogamy in homosexual relationships, by all accounts I've read, is rare.'
The first sentence: It just boils down to a difference of opinion - in MY opinion, homosexual behavior is a sin; in YOURS, it's perfectly fine (and we'll just make it easy and say we're talking about homosexual behavior between consenting adults). For a person (like me) that believes that (1) the Bible is the word of God, and (2) God is all-knowing, all-wise, and the very definition of love, then it follows that ANY sinful behavior, including homosexual behavior, is harmful - at the MINIMUM, only to the individual involved, but more often to others around the individual, too. Now that's NOT saying that homosexuals are never happy, etc. I think it's pretty safe to say that there are some homosexuals that are happier than some heterosexuals (of course, "happiness" is a hard thing to measure - people hide things well, as is very apparent when, for example, a person unexpectedly commits suicide). Happiness depends upon many things. One thing is how much in line you are with the way that our Creator intended us to live. I would say that a homosexual that in every other way except his/her sex life lives up to God's guidelines is probably happier than a heterosexual who is habitually involved in many other sins. (and just a little side note - "happiness" is not the result (nor is it a goal) of being a Christian - JOY is.) So what I object to when I see statements like yours, IRex, is the implied statement behind it, which is that there is nothing wrong with it (which you've also come right out and said, as you believe it to be true), and there is inherently nothing harmful in it. Now because I think homosexual behavior is a sin (one of just many that the human race has come up with), I say that it IS inherently harmful, just as any sin is inherently harmful. If you were to say that a hardened, habitual liar (just to pick another type of sin) who has never been caught can have a happy life, I would disagree with you, too. There might be many happy moments, but because the person is in a sinful lifestyle, there will be harm done to him/her. I'm sorry if this is unclear - it's rather late. All I meant was that because IMO homosexuality is sinful, then it carries, WITHIN ITSELF and because of its very nature, harm to those involved. Heterosexual, monogamous marriage does NOT carry, WITHIN ITSELF and because of its very nature, harm to those involved. Of course, the partners in either situation may also bring harm into the relationship with selfishness, deceit, hate, etc. I know you disagree with my position, but do you understand what I'm saying? IOW, do you agree that a lifestyle of lying, for example, would carry, within itself and by its very nature, harm to the person practising it?
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whoops, forgot the second sentence -
Well, I stand by my opinion. You guys can dig up some stats if you would like to.
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"drenched", huh? Why do you use the terms "vocal" and "self proclaiming"? What do you mean by that? I find that interesting - it seems to have a negative connotation, and I wonder why. There's a lot of athiests on the Moot, and I find only a few to be obnoxious - you seem to find a lot of the Christians to be obnoxious; is that right? Quote:
I see what you mean, but I still think the majority (more than 50%) of Mooters are non-Christian, don't you? Maybe I'm wrong....
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I'm changing my sig, just for you IR. BWAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAAHAAA!!!! *tears streaming down face from laughter* Edit: Ok, I can finish this now. *wipes tear from cheek* Quote:
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