Offshoot discussion of "what religion are you" thread

[hectorberlioz]

God didnt "make" anyone homosexual, it is someones choice if they choose to be homosexual, God doesnt "make" things(sometimes) happen to you, he "LETS" things happen to you. It is the parents fault for beating or murdering one of thier own because of bieng homosexual and they will answer for it in due time,but, it is the person who's homosexual fault for bieng tempted to sin, just as incest and gluttony are sins. CONDEMNED TO H*LL.

[Rían]

Originally posted by Ruinel
There are people who come out and tell their families that they are gay or lesbian and their families disown them. I think that is wrong. And there are cases where people actually beat the crap out of and in some cases murdered homosexuals because of their sexual orientation. How could they have thought this was right?

I agree with you that both of these behaviors are wrong.

[Rían]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
God didnt "make" anyone homosexual, it is someones choice if they choose to be homosexual, God doesnt "make" things(sometimes) happen to you, he "LETS" things happen to you. It is the parents fault for beating or murdering one of thier own because of bieng homosexual and they will answer for it in due time,but, it is the person who's homosexual fault for bieng tempted to sin, just as incest and gluttony are sins. CONDEMNED TO H*LL.

I differ with you a bit here, hectorb, in that I don't believe it's a sin to be tempted - just the actual choice to engage in homosexual behavior is the sin. I'm tempted by my own particular set of sinful behaviors - it's when I choose to give in to them that I sin, IMO.

I think that homosexual tendencies are just another manifestation of our sin nature, like tendencies to lie or steal or bully, or incest or gluttony, to use your examples. For me, that particular manifestation is NOT a temptation, and a person with homosexual tendencies may not be tempted in ways that I am. We're all different. But as Ruinel said, and I agree, we ALL sin (altho she doesn't believe homosexual behavior to be a sin).

[hectorberlioz]

I meant: GIVE IN to temptation, I agree with you, just a mistake of mine
p.s: just call me hector

[Rían]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
I meant: GIVE IN to temptation, I agree with you, just a mistake of mine
p.s: just call me hector

OK, I see.

And nice to meet you, hector Russian Orthodox, hey? Does your family come from Russia?

[HOBBIT]

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[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
God didnt "make" anyone homosexual, it is someones choice if they choose to be homosexual

theres a little nugget thats probably better discussed in the gay thread since there are intense passions about this on both sides. very very few people choose their sexual preferences. its really a lot harder then many christians seem to think. Not many people get up and say "oh I think Ill be gay today! Just to be rebellious!" If only it were so simple. But what a massive and continual misconception this is.

[hectorberlioz]

I'm sorry I cant understand what your trying to get at.

[hectorberlioz]

Okay, so you think that the choice to be homosexual is an instinct thing? Uh Uh.I think you know what i was actually getting to. Yes its hard not to sin, but is everyone accepting homosexuality gonna make it easier? or make it not a sin? No.
I am absolutely not interested in knowing WHERE this gay and lesbian forum is.

[Rían]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
I am absolutely not interested in knowing WHERE this gay and lesbian forum is.

No, it's not a FORUM, it's a DISCUSSION thread , and many of the people on this thread discussed their opinions on the subject of homosexuality on that thread. Here's a link to the first post on the thread : opening post , and here's where I jumped in and expressed what I thought the Christian doctrine on the subject was: RÃ*an's opinion and more of RÃ*an's opinion . It is a very sensitive topic, and I think it was discussed with candor and consideration, which is not only the right way to discuss things, but also is in line with the Entmoot rules

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
Okay, so you think that the choice to be homosexual is an instinct thing? Uh Uh.I think you know what i was actually getting to. No. I am absolutely not interested in knowing WHERE this gay and lesbian forum is.

how can a choice be an instinct? Now does that make sense? See you couch even your questions about this subject in a way that betrays your bias. true homosexuality can never be a choice. if it was simply a choice then you wouldnt have so many homosexuals who would like to NOT be homosexual because society (and religion) tells them its wrong and they are bad but they CANT just CHOOSE to switch. If it was simply a choice then only those people who wanted to be that way would be correct?

[hectorberlioz]

I was asking YOU the question. I ( note: I) do not believe or consider what i asked you.

[Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
Okay, so you think that the choice to be homosexual is an instinct thing? Uh Uh.I think you know what i was actually getting to. Yes its hard not to sin, but is everyone accepting homosexuality gonna make it easier? or make it not a sin? No.
I am absolutely not interested in knowing WHERE this gay and lesbian forum is.

people excepting homosexuality will make it easier on everyone whois/ isnt one..it will be one less thing that people will discriminate agaisnt

[hectorberlioz]

Easier? yes. What im asking is: is it right?.no, i dont think so. I was also asking if: everyone accepting homosexuality will make homosexuality right and therefore not a sin. and my answer to this is also:NO.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
I was asking YOU the question. I ( note: I) do not believe or consider what i asked you.

ok... which is why i replied the way i did. because i was aware you believe its a choice.

[hectorberlioz]

You do not believe homosexuality a sin? When i said it was a choice i meant that it is of a persons choosing to be homosexual and god cant save you from choosing unless asked.

Note: I AM NOT HOMOSEXUAL(that should be pretty obvious since i am writing about it bieng a sin)

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
You do not believe homosexuality a sin?

No i do not believe homosexuality is a sin. and even if i bought into the whole concept of "sinning" i would no more think that homosexuals are sinners any more then heterosexuals are. Who is worse in gods eyes? a homosexual who is monogomous and loving or a heterosexual who has sex with every girl he meets and cheats on his wife?

When i said it was a choice i meant that it is of a persons choosing to be homosexual and god cant save you from choosing unless asked.

yes i understand but i disagree. its not a choice. perhaps what you are getting at is that CHOOSING to engage in the sexual homosexual act is the true sin and not just BEING homosexual. correct me if im wrong. but i dont even believe that either though.

Note: I AM NOT HOMOSEXUAL(that should be pretty obvious since i am writing about it bieng a sin)

yes i already assumed you were not. not to worry. but then it wasnt my concern. its none of my business see. and i would not condemn you if you were.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
....I think that homosexual tendencies are just another manifestation of our sin nature, like tendencies to lie or steal or bully, or incest or gluttony, to use your examples....

I have to disagree with you. I'm pretty 'sinful', but I've never had the desire to have sex with a woman. That 'sin', as you put it, has never manifested itself in me. Why not? I certainly have other 'sinful' tendencies with respect to sex.

IR: I completely agree with you.

[Rían]

But that was my point, Ruinel, that each of us have different areas of sin. I don't think anyone is tempted in ALL possible areas of sin. I know that personally, I'm not tempted to steal, for example (steal for the "fun" of it, not because I'm actually starving).

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
But that was my point, Ruinel, that each of us have different areas of sin. I don't think anyone is tempted in ALL possible areas of sin. I know that personally, I'm not tempted to steal, for example (steal for the "fun" of it, not because I'm actually starving).

wow! you are NAUGHTY! My 'sin' doesn't hurt anyone or deprive them.