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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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07-21-2003, 08:47 PM | #1663 | ||
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What do you think of my explanation of the Bible verse about not judging? Usually Christians get that verse quoted at them when asked about, for example, physical homosexual relations. A Christian might say something like "I believe that sex should be only within a marriage, which is only between a man and a woman", and the response is "Christians shouldn't judge, though, according to the Bible!" However, that doesn't make any sense, does it? We all make judgements on whether or not we think things are right or wrong. The context of the quote on judgement (which is in Matthew 7), IMO, is looking down on and condemning others while ignoring your own faults. That's why it goes on to that famous verse, saying, why do you complain about the speck in your brother's eye but completely ignore the LOG that is in your own eye? I think that that judgemental attitude is what is wrong. Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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07-21-2003, 08:49 PM | #1664 | |
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Darn. I hope it's temporary, and she can "rein in" and get back to PG-13 and rejoin us, because she is intelligent and funny and nice.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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07-21-2003, 09:10 PM | #1665 |
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only for a week.
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However, I am aware that sex is defined by the laws of religions all over the world, not just Christianity. If you believe in that faith, you should abide by those rules, whether or not you believe them to be right or not. I know that in the Christian bible it states not to judge, lest you be judged. I don't care who it is, everyone sins, in some degree. Jesus saved Mary Magdallen from the mob by saying, he who is without sin cast the first stone. All sins that do not do permanent harm to another, IMO, are on the same scale. I know how most Christians feel about homosexuality, that it is a sin. But why is a sin of love so wrong? Did not Jesus say to love one another as he loved the world? I know he is not talking about sex or romatic love. But, it is wrong to love someone in this manner if they are of the same sex, though it is something that they can not help. To come between two people who love one another should be the worst sin, and only second to murder or rape, IMO. Quote:
I have to differ with you on what you said about what is declared by god is good for society. Wars have been declared (and are written in the Bible) by the word of god. People were killed because they broke one of god's laws, which in turn, was also breaking one of god's laws (ironic, huh?). People tortured, burned, hung as heretics. And we could go through all of this again, but I will not get back into that debate which we once had. It serves no purpose. I think we will have to agree to disagree on the reason why we justify that harm is wrong. |
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07-21-2003, 11:45 PM | #1667 |
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I just saw this thread and found it quite interesting. In regards to your thinking that homosexuality is ok persay if someone can't help it and two people love each other and that God wants us to love. In the Bible God says that homosexuality is an abomination to Him.(Leviticus 18:22) Also our bodies are God's temple and we should do everything to protect it (in regards to smoking, drugs,etc.) Hope this helps you a little. sorry if I took your statement out of context.
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And I do not understand why people are so upset about the love of two people, regardless of their gender. Also, I did not say 'if' they could not help it. Homosexuality is generally regarded as innate, however, not proven. |
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07-22-2003, 12:32 AM | #1669 |
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Ya I wasn't about to read through 84 pages
to get to the end of the messages. sorry about the misunderstanding. Hope you don't mind but I'll be praying for ya. |
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sentences 2 and 3 : And I agree with you that everyone sins. And it was absolutely brilliant on the part of Jesus to say what he did about the woman caught in adultery (but no indication that she was Mary M. that I know of - she's just referred to as a woman caught in adultery). Quote:
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*looks back over post - sheesh, you can tell I'm feeling a bit better, my posts are getting longer! *
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 07-22-2003 at 12:52 AM. |
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07-22-2003, 01:00 AM | #1671 |
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Glad to hear that you're feeling better. All those good vibes I've been sending in your direction must be working.
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Thanks very much! I really appreciate it
I see the surgeon tomorrow at 2:15 to see if he wants to remove any pieces of me that have been misbehaving ...
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Divorce?
How many Christian denominations hold with the clearly stated words of Jesus? The Catholics do, AFAIK most Protestants don't. Luke 16: 18 Quote:
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just for the record, an anullment isn't the same thing as a divorce...and it can take several years to obtain an anullment anyways |
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Something interesting...
New study challenges Noah's ark report
By ROBERT COOKE Newsday Related: ?EMore science news Scientists are seriously challenging a recent, fascinating proposal that Noah's epic story -- setting sail with an ark jam-full of animal couples -- was based on an actual catastrophic flood that suddenly filled the Black Sea 7,500 years ago, forcing people to flee. In a detailed new look at the rocks, sediments, currents and seashells in and around the Black Sea, an international research team pooh-poohs the Noah flood idea, arguing that all the geologic, hydrologic and biologic signs are wrong. Little that the earth can tell us seems to fit the Noah story, they say. The new research takes direct aim at the work of two Columbia University geologists -- William Ryan and Walter Pitman -- whose proposal in 1997 ignited much new interest, and much new research, into Middle East history and geology. According to Ryan and Pitman, their strong evidence shows that sudden flooding of the Black Sea did occur, and they think it was such a traumatic event that it became part of the folklore of ancient peoples of the Middle East, showing up vividly in the Bible. Ryan and Pitman's bold proposal, first published in a marine geology journal, holds that the gradual rise of sea level at the end of the last Ice Age eventually overtopped and washed out a fragile natural barrier across what is now the Bosporus Strait. And once the barrier fell, it set off a catastrophe for settlers living in a huge basin to the northeast. As the fragile barrier across the Bosporus collapsed, Ryan and Pitman proposed, a massive amount of seawater surged from the Mediterranean into what was then a stagnant, low-lying basin, the huge region now filled by the Black Sea. According to their scenario, the surge of seawater continued for about two years, until the major inland sea reached its present size. Before the flood, Ryan and Pitman calculated, the basin contained a large soggy marsh sitting about 500 feet lower than the sea, which was held back by the barrier at the Bosporus. Once the barrier was breached, they estimated, some 10 cubic miles of seawater poured through the gap every day. That, certainly, would have been a memorable event for people living around the basin. They would have seen the water rising inexorably, pushing them farther and farther up-slope, driving them away from their homes and fields. But whether it actually happened, and whether it matches what the ancient writings report, are questions that are open to serious debate. Rest at http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/ne...15noahsark.html Edit: I noticed this was a dead link - try this one: http://www.detnews.com/2003/religion.../a09-78822.htm And for the other camp: http://pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/ind...8540316890.xml Last edited by Sheeana : 07-22-2003 at 04:57 PM. |
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That's what the Reformation in Europe was about, breaking away from the Catholic Church because they did not believe that the Catholic laws were god's laws, though interpreted through the leaders of that religion. About the homosexuality and Christianity discussion, I don't know where I was, but I guess I wasn't checking this thread. And yes, I think that if Christians are condemning or brutalizing someone for their sexual preference, then they should not consider themselves proper Christians, and certainly not following the bible. What if you found out that Jesus was a homosexual, after all, it is generally believed that he did not marry nor was with a woman, but was always surrounded by men. And wasn't he in his 30's when he died? Wow, now that would be a shocker! |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 07-22-2003 at 10:44 PM. |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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WHY HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG. The reason homosexuality is wrong: in the old testament you can find several passages against homosexuality, one is:" ...and he who lies with anotheer man is already condemned, and she who lies with another woman is also condemned...", and it goes on to tell that "he who lies with another mans wife...." SODOM AND GAMORRAH: was destroyed because the inhabitants commited INCEST, ADULTRY, AND HOMOSEXUALITY... And in the new testament, in 1st corinthians 6:9 : "Know ye not that the unrightous shall NOT inherit the kingdom of god? ...neither : fornicators, idolaters, adulterers,effenimate(homosexuals).....shall not inherit the kingdom of god".
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HectorBerlioz: just a thought... if Christians believe that god made people, then why did god make someone homosexual and then claim it as a sin? |
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