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BTW Silme, have you tried talking to your friend? Somehow I think 'actions' would count for more in the BIG BOOK. Anyway, I don't want to be nasty to you, so I'll just say good luck & hope your friend doesn't get hurt with the drugs etc. Quote:
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07-14-2003, 08:51 AM | #1622 | |
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07-14-2003, 09:01 AM | #1623 | |
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If she'd meant it the way you think she should learn to phrase her statements correctly so as not to confuzzle sinners like me Also, Silme - why be friends with someone if they so obviously offend you?
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07-14-2003, 12:06 PM | #1624 | |
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As far as Christianity "restricting" you - I think there's 2 points here - negative vs. positive commands, and the issue of what's controlling you. On the first subject - I think if you ask someone who's not a Christian (and who is thus not experiencing the wonderful reality of freedom in God, and God's love and comfort and strength) what does it mean to be a Christian, they'll say something along the lines of "you gotta obey a bunch of rules" - and the rules they typically come up with are the "not" rules like you shall not commit adultery. I've been a Christian for almost 30 years, and I find "obeying the rules" to not be a big part of Christianity at all. In fact, if I find myself worrying about "obeying the rules" in the sense that I think you mean, that usually means that I've slipped into legalism and away from God. What I'm trying to express is that Christianity is mainly relational, not legal. Christians obey God's just and right and good laws because they love God and see His goodness, and trust Him because He has shown Himself repeatedly faithful. Jesus says, in John chapter 14, "If you love Me, you will keep my commandments." This is the same thing behind why my children need to obey me. I have "commandments" for them, because I am older and wiser than they are. My "commandments" for them are NOT mean, or even arbitrary - they are for their own good, and when they obey them, it brings happiness and health and good things to them. And my children strive to obey me, even if they don't fully understand all my commandments (like you need to get this shot to keep you healthy) because they see my love for them, and they trust me. There are some "not" commands, but they are for our good. And there are loads of "do this" commands that are positive, such as in the previous chapter of John, where Jesus says to love one another, and serve one another. And all throughout the New Testament (which is the book that Christians follow - they are not bound to the Old Testament laws) are things like love your neighbor, help one another, encourage one another, be patient with one another, etc. So as a Christian, I don't wander around thinking "OMG, I just blew command #81!"; or even worse, "OMG, that creep just blew command #52!". I will think things like "well, that wasn't really a kind thing I did there - God, please help me to be a kinder person, and show me why I acted the way I did, and how we can work on it, and show me if I can do anything to help that person out." See, the focus is relational - my relationship to God as a child of His who can get much-needed help and guidance, in addition to love, and my relationship to others - I strive to be truthful, kind, loving, etc. to other people (altho sadly I often fail miserably). Can you see? - it's about as far from legalistic, law-obsessed, "sets of rules" (your phrase ) living as you can get. And as usual, my post got longer than I intended, so I'll discuss the second topic after we go over the first (if you or anyone else have any questions or comments).
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07-14-2003, 12:23 PM | #1625 |
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well i hope you can make sense of this because ill confuse myself if i try to do it by quotes...
of course there are good commands, and the majority are good, but i think at some time in your life you should be responsible for your decisions and they should be your and yours alone. It's great that you raise your children in that way and it's something very essential so children grow up healthy. Yet at some point these 'commandments' will have to stop and they will have to make choices for themselves. I personally dont see why i should abide by God's rules (even if they are for my benefit) if i am fully capable of making the decision myself, sure theoretically God would know better than me, but if it came to a choice of taking drugs or not and i know the risks im taking, then why would God know better than me and why is it Gods decision to make? it may not affect you majorly at all during your life but i guess in theory i would just feel restricted by these commandments... just as a sidenote, why is pornography considered 'bad'?
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07-14-2003, 12:23 PM | #1626 | |
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Silme - You have a job, and you're only 14? What do you do?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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07-14-2003, 12:47 PM | #1627 | |
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However, I think we're getting confused about what "choice" means. You seem to be saying that they don't have a "choice", but perhaps a better word would be "standard", because I think what you're objecting to is the standard of Christianity, and saying that they don't have a choice as to the standard that I teach. Is that right? If so, what standard do you think that I should have for them, and why? Quote:
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Your avatar is pretty - did you draw it?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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07-14-2003, 01:14 PM | #1630 |
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Thanks. No, I can't draw a straight line with a ruler. I found it on a website.
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Rian, my apologies if im not making much sense, i should be in bed, but ill respond as clearly as i can
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07-14-2003, 01:32 PM | #1632 | |
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07-14-2003, 01:34 PM | #1633 |
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im from Aust and its 3.30 in the morning. and im off to bed
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07-14-2003, 01:55 PM | #1634 |
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Oh, ok! G'nite!
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07-14-2003, 06:37 PM | #1636 | |
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Valid / Good ways to judge people? Ideally I suppose it would be wonderful if we could get through a day without judging people, but unfortunately it's not practical as our choices of friends etc constantly reflect our judgement of people's character and personality, intelligence and so on. However, this does not mean that we may reserve the right to condemn those people whom we do not like / judge fit to associate with or that we should hold a superior attitude to them. And I suppose a valid way to judge someone would be based on their 'performance', i. e Does this person add value to my life? Does this person have the same values and morals as me? etc etc etc, if you cannot answer 'yes' to most of the questions you ask yourself, I am sure it would hold true that, for the most part, you have nothing fundamentally in common with that person, so why would you want to stay friends with them?, In the end it would lead to constant strife, which isn't good for either party. (RÃ*an - I answered in terms of the post made by Silme)
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OK, I will try to clear this up as best I can. The "place" I work for is called Kibbies Kennels. Kibbies Kennels is just a string of houses with a special sign. The person would go to one of the Kibbies Kennels nearest to them. Does that make sense? It is very complicated. I am also doing a program (I volunteer for this) where I would train a dog to work with disabled people (AKA I am in the "Guide Dog" business). So I am training two dogs and taking care of 11. Get it yet?
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