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Luke has been shown to be an incredibly accurate historian in all historical details of the time period. He states his goal to write accurately in the beginning of his book, and there are no writings of the time challenging Jesus' descent that I know of. Mary's not being mentioned is not unusual. Note that no women were mentioned in this genealogy and almost none in the one in Matthew. Very few times were they mentioned in other genealogies either. Quote:
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It is possible that the statement of the Lord to King Jehoiakim was speaking of physical rulership. Jesus himself says that his kingdom is not of this world. And yet we have two genealogies from trustworthy historians pointing his line to David. Anyway, I don't find it a strong contradiction to the Bible's accuracy, or the using of the prophesies as an evidence. You have brought up an argument that questions one prophesy. Last edited by Lief Erikson : 06-28-2003 at 04:21 PM. |
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(just a quick side-track here - MasterMothra asked something in the evolution thread, and it was starting to get to be a long OT, so I moved my answer here)
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To me, this implies that having God as the most important thing in your life means that your family and children, to use your example, suffer; as opposed to if THEY were the most important thing in your life. IOW, it is relatively BETTER for them to be the most important thing in your life. Is that what you mean? I disagree with this idea, though, because I have found that having God as the most important thing in my life has enabled me, as I said before, to love them better!. For a quick example, it's like saying "if you study nutrition, you will by definition spend less time with your family, which is not good." However, you study nutrition because you love your family! and having spent the time studying, you are better able to take care of them. There is also an assumption (which is a faulty one, IMO) that having your family and children as the most important thing in your life[/i] is their highest good.[/i] I disagree with this. I think there is a higher good for them, and that is able to take place when a person is in right relationship with God. The quick answer to your second question is no. I'm too tired to go into it now, and there was a HUGE, LONG discussion on Abraham/Isaac where I posted at great length on the subject. Would you to look that up? Do a search on Isaac with my username.
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07-08-2003, 07:55 PM | #1583 |
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(and you never responded to my response to your question about "what universal law states that variations always stay within the species" on the evolution thread - could you please respond?)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 07-08-2003 at 07:57 PM. |
07-08-2003, 11:10 PM | #1584 |
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I love being a Christian!
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07-09-2003, 01:47 AM | #1585 |
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ok this is the way i see it. the more time i waste on a false god, or one that simply doesnt exists, is less time that i can be with my family.
my family will always be more important than anything. even the almighty himself, if he did exist. theres no right or wrong answer to the question, just a question of priorities. i would never have chosen as abraham did, i would have chosen my son over a god that asks me to do ridiculous things to "prove" my faith. your christian god sure does seem to have an ego. as far as the law that i asked about; no one has of yet, been able to supply such a law.
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07-09-2003, 03:02 AM | #1586 |
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In the Bible, (Genesis 22) it tells the story of God telling Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac. I believe God did this to test Abraham to see where his loyalty stood and how much Abraham truly loved God. Abraham obeyed and God sent a ram to sacrifice instead of Isaac. In a Jewish tradition (someone please correct me if I am wrong) it says Isaac was willing going let his father sacrifice him. In Job 23:10 it says, "But he knows the way I take; when he has tested me I will come forth as gold." Because Abraham obeyed God, God blessed him. (Genesis 22:17,18) "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and the sands on the seashore. Your descendants will take possesion of the cities of thier enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed because you have obeyed me." Though all of this is true, we must remeber that God's promise was unconditional based on his faithfulness, not Abraham's. God was the top priority on Abraham's list.
As for priorities, God is on the top of my list. I love God with all my heart and I hope I will be able to obey Him in whatever he asks. This will help me grow in God, to grow in Him we must, Go to chruch, Read our bibles and pray, Obey Him, and Witness to others.
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07-09-2003, 08:36 AM | #1587 |
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why does your god require that you "prove" your faith?
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07-09-2003, 02:50 PM | #1588 |
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MM - about the law - my response was that it is not necessary to "provide" such a law, since it is the person making the claim that needs to supply the evidence. Under your reasoning, I can say "God exists", and say it's true because you can't show it to be false. But I also pointed out that there have been NO OBSERVATIONS to support the claim of macroevolution. One can't extrapolate and say that there never WILL be an observation, but certainly the fact that there never have been any observations should be very important. And one cannot extrapolate on the other side, too, and say "well, there haven't been any observations, but I think that someday there will be" - well, one can SAY that, but it certainly is not evidence.
Here's the link where the Abraham/Isaac discussion started - Abraham/Isaac link. This was a one-time, special occurance in the Old Testament, with a specially chosen person (or people, since Isaac was an adult and could have easily fought his father off), with one major purpose being to provide a picture of what God the Father (as opposed to Abraham the father) was going to do, out of His love for us, by providing His Son Jesus as a perfect sacrifice.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 07-09-2003 at 06:37 PM. |
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(ps - MM, could you take a look at the venting thread and see if you have any advice, as a lawyer, for JD? He really got screwed by some chronic-user-type renters, and you're the only lawyer I know of - you might know some people in the area - thanks)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
07-09-2003, 06:21 PM | #1590 |
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(Here is something I forgot in my last post) Tests of faith are not to enlighten God; they are to teach us. Tests help uncover our real motives, clarify or deep loyalties, eliminate deceit and nuture genuine faith.
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lets put God's tests of faith to a different tone, if i came over to anyone and asked them to kill there son/daughter to prove there faith in me, naturally you would call me a sicko and call the police. can someone explain (and i honestly mean no offence to the religious people here) but how does God's test of faith differ from Hitler making the Hitler Youth raise german shepards only to kill them to show there ultimate loyalty to him Quote:
anyway my philosophy on life is to live by what i see is right and wrong, im not going to be chained down in my one life just so i can get on the goodside of someone that may exist. Get Up Stand Up puts forth some of my reasons for the dislike of Religion Most people think great God will come from the Sky, Take away everything and make everybody feel high, But if you know what life is worth, You will look for yours on earth.
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Hey you guys, I have a Youth Group project that I have to do and I need to find some Christiants who can answer these questions.
Please state your name....................................PS usernames are fine(for instance Sile*Christian says...) please state your age....................................... 1. on a scale on 1-10 what would you rate your relationship with God? 2. Has God given you a miracle? 3. What was that miracle? 4. Are you happy with your relationship with God? 5. Why? or why not? 6.Do you "shout it out" about God? I know, strange questians. I can explain later, when the asighnment is done.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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1) 5 or 6 2)yes 3) my sister was hit by a car going 45 mph and didn't have any broken bones and when she hit the pavement, which was really hard, nothing happened to her head and she was out of the hospital in a week or so 4) no 5) I want to be closer to him, an 11 on a scale of 1-10 6)Kinda
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1.7 or 8 2.Oh yes 3.I'm Aewionen's sis 4. Sort of 5.I can always get closer 6.Yeppers!
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2. yes 3. my life and my fiance 4. I wish I were a better Christian...I hope that answers that question! so I guess no I'm not happy with my relationship with God but that is entirely my fault 5. I hate that I am weak 6. not quite sure what that means but I certainly don't deny that I am a Christian (catholic too!) and I state my beliefs often I suppose |
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