Why LOTR is the work of the devil - Page 8

DraztiK · 10-31-2002, 03:11 PM

to bad we don't have the right to ERADICATE the stupid people

Tar-Palantir · 10-31-2002, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DraztiK
to bad we don't have the right to ERADICATE the stupid people

That's what Adolf Hitler thought.

DraztiK · 11-01-2002, 08:24 AM

And he would've gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for them pesky kids and their dog

Christiana · 11-02-2002, 11:52 PM

???????????

BeardofPants · 11-03-2002, 12:45 AM

I think he's making a tasteless Scooby Doo joke.

Quote:

Christiana:
man,its a free country.people have a right to be stupid.

LOL!

WallRocker · 12-04-2002, 10:45 PM

It's people like these that give Christian's a bad name. This guy does not appear to know what he is talking about. While I'm sure he is very sincere of his beleife's, he is obviously misleade. If anyone is intrested, I've got a link from Focus on the Family's web site that give another side of the Tolkein story. Also, Even thought Tolkien did not write LOTR as an Allegory, I believe you could take it that way. Like the complete corruption that sin has in a persons life. With the Ring represnting sin. Anyway, heres the link: http://www.family.org/pplace/pi/magic/#LordoftheRings

Elfhelm · 12-05-2002, 12:43 PM

He's wrong on several points. The Istari are not "wizards". Simple people call them wizards, but they are more like angels. And there are fallen ones as well as loyal ones, just like the Catholic angels.

LOTR did not give rise to D&D. Tolkien and other played war games. War games existed before LOTR. Chain Mail was created by Gary Gygax as a war game with sword and sorcery powers added in. D&D developed from that. Sword and Sorcery is a different genre completely. Robert E. Howard was publishing Conan-like novels while Tolkien was still writing old english versions of the tale of Luthien Tinuviel. I believe Howard killed himself before The Hobbit ever came out. So it would be more appropriate to say that D&D rose out of war games and the books of Edgar Rice Burroughs and Robert E. Howard. After it was started, though, Gygax added elves and "halflings". But note that he wasn't allowed to use the word "hobbit".

While the unconcious mind contains many mythical tales, one sect would have me believe I can ignore most of them and only embrace the "sacrifice" myth. Try as I may, those other myths will surface. If I don't bring Grendel to light, he will prowl my backstreets and dark alleys and strike when I least expect him. A modern example of Grendel is Columbine High School. If my image of the world does not include these monsters, I will not be prepared to deal with their montrous acts.

I am not trying to take anything away from the Orphic myth, but these other myths can't be supressed without serious harm to the society. At the very least, we need to have them as stories enacted in our movie theatres and on the screen.

One more thing (I'm sorry I do carry on), the sacrifice myth does occur whether JRRT admits it or not. He descends into the deeps and rises again stronger and holier than ever. You all know who I mean.

zavron · 12-06-2002, 01:28 PM

It's just aloud of Idiots that say they've been cured by god, and they used to be unclean until they found god and now there just picture perfect. They're all just Bible-Black Tyrants!!!

TolkienGurl · 12-06-2002, 03:58 PM

Some people need to lighten up. People are afraid of what they don't understand, and clearly this man does not understand the Lord of the Rings. He needs to read the books, and then judge them! Anyway, all his claims are false as there is no evidence to back them up. What a bunch of dung, I say.

TolkienGurl

Andrew Baggins · 12-08-2002, 03:56 PM

"Why LOTR is the work of the devil" - well i just read an artical a few days ago about a priest or someone like that releasing a book about how LotR is a Christian book or somthing. Very weird.

OrlandoFan234 · 12-09-2002, 07:17 PM

Hey, that guy talks bad about J.R.R Tolkien how come he doesn't talk bad about J.K.Rolien? (Author of Harry Potter)! And no Led Zepland wasn't born when J.R.R tolkien was writing these books! Some people are just interesting!!!

OrlandoFan234 · 12-10-2002, 05:04 PM

I had another thought! LOTR's is about the fight against good and evil. Well that guy said that it was such an evil book how come the good side wins!?! Just a thought! The only thing I can think of that would go with that is that he is evil himself so he thought it was an evil book when the good side won!?! I don't know what do you guys think about it?

Elfhelm · 12-10-2002, 05:33 PM

Well, his logic is just brilliant. he says when he was a soldier in the 60's he was anti-Christian. At that time he read the books and loved them. Therefore, they must be evil. Now THAT is just unquestionably rational! LOL!

All you can do is laugh about this sort of thing.

claudia silver · 12-10-2002, 08:07 PM

This is the best bit:

"The world knows its own; and when the demonic world of fantasy role-playing and the morally filthy world of rock and roll love something, you can be sure it is not godly and it is not the truth."

Gwaimir Windgem · 12-10-2002, 08:46 PM

I agree with Christiana; these people give Christians a bad name. Tolkien was a devout Christian (probably, that guy thinks that Catholics are Satanists who pretend to be Christians

). He loved the ancient Norse mythology; Middle-Earth was a mythology created by Tolkien to be an acceptable Christian mythology. But since this guy does not sound very keen on Lewis, so it seems even the most obvious allegory isn't good enough for him. People like this make me sad because of their lack of knowledge, and angry because they make people of my faith seem like worthless, unintelligible fools who think there's a demon in every door-knocker.

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Have you ever wondered how much these close-minded people miss in the world? I mean it's their own fault, but to go around condemning people to hell is to live a very graceless life. and that's what the christian faith is all about. He reminds me of the story of two men praying in the temple. the first recognizes his sin, and prays, "O LORD, have mercy on me, for I am a sinful man." The second man and says, "O LORD, I thank you that you have not made me like the wretch who is here beside me." can you be more arrogant?

The Christian faith is not about condemning everyone to hell. It is about spreading the gospel to others, letting them know that they don't have to.

And also, someone said that "wizard" is a translation of Maiar. Well, first off, Maiar is plural; Maia is the singular. "Wizard" is actually used as a translation of the word Istar. The Istari were a group of (at least five) Maiar who came around 3A 1000 to help unify the Free Peoples against Sauron, etc, and I'm blabbering on.

RE-EDIT: Those of you who are Christians might be interested in some books by Harold Myra. The Choice is one, but Children in the Night, The Shining Face, and Morning Child. Also, the books by Peretti are good, as well as Sedona Storm and Secrets of the Gathering Darkness (those are books about angels vs. demons in the present-day world). Man, I sound like a salesman. Sorry.

Faelnor · 12-13-2002, 08:50 PM

Yeesh.

I agree with Gwaimir Windgem.

Christiana · 12-14-2002, 04:23 PM

Wherers this guy from?

Gwaimir Windgem · 12-15-2002, 11:34 AM

The article says Port Huron, MI.

I tried sending him an email, starting off with describing my solid Christian background, hoping to win him over, but it seems that I had no such luck.

Ah well, at least I got to refer him to some more good Christian fantasy. I wonder if he'll read any of it?

Blackboar · 12-15-2002, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by jediguy
There's only one thing I can do when coming across these articles:

(<-) Back

Me too!!!!

Gwaimir Windgem · 12-15-2002, 08:43 PM

It doesn't bother me that much, because I know how far from the truth it is. It's kinda funny, kinda sad, with a small measure of irittating.

10-31-2002, 03:11 PM	#141
DraztiK Enting Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mol, Belgium Posts: 94	to bad we don't have the right to ERADICATE the stupid people __________________ The name's DraztiK, but those whose name isn't totally blasted into Oblivion yet may call me DraZ... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Our Armies in England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales Our Brothers in Belgium, Holland and France will not fail. Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, back to the Glory of Germany! ~Manowar - Blood of the Kings~

11-01-2002, 08:24 AM	#143
DraztiK Enting Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mol, Belgium Posts: 94	And he would've gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for them pesky kids and their dog __________________ The name's DraztiK, but those whose name isn't totally blasted into Oblivion yet may call me DraZ... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Our Armies in England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales Our Brothers in Belgium, Holland and France will not fail. Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, back to the Glory of Germany! ~Manowar - Blood of the Kings~

11-02-2002, 11:52 PM	#144
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	??????????? __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

12-04-2002, 10:45 PM	#146
WallRocker Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: At the computer... Posts: 376	It's people like these that give Christian's a bad name. This guy does not appear to know what he is talking about. While I'm sure he is very sincere of his beleife's, he is obviously misleade. If anyone is intrested, I've got a link from Focus on the Family's web site that give another side of the Tolkein story. Also, Even thought Tolkien did not write LOTR as an Allegory, I believe you could take it that way. Like the complete corruption that sin has in a persons life. With the Ring represnting sin. Anyway, heres the link: http://www.family.org/pplace/pi/magic/#LordoftheRings __________________ Do one thing every day that scares you ~Anonymous~ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><<>< <>< <>< <>< I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One nation UNDER GOD with liberty and justice for all

12-05-2002, 12:43 PM	#147
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	He's wrong on several points. The Istari are not "wizards". Simple people call them wizards, but they are more like angels. And there are fallen ones as well as loyal ones, just like the Catholic angels. LOTR did not give rise to D&D. Tolkien and other played war games. War games existed before LOTR. Chain Mail was created by Gary Gygax as a war game with sword and sorcery powers added in. D&D developed from that. Sword and Sorcery is a different genre completely. Robert E. Howard was publishing Conan-like novels while Tolkien was still writing old english versions of the tale of Luthien Tinuviel. I believe Howard killed himself before The Hobbit ever came out. So it would be more appropriate to say that D&D rose out of war games and the books of Edgar Rice Burroughs and Robert E. Howard. After it was started, though, Gygax added elves and "halflings". But note that he wasn't allowed to use the word "hobbit". While the unconcious mind contains many mythical tales, one sect would have me believe I can ignore most of them and only embrace the "sacrifice" myth. Try as I may, those other myths will surface. If I don't bring Grendel to light, he will prowl my backstreets and dark alleys and strike when I least expect him. A modern example of Grendel is Columbine High School. If my image of the world does not include these monsters, I will not be prepared to deal with their montrous acts. I am not trying to take anything away from the Orphic myth, but these other myths can't be supressed without serious harm to the society. At the very least, we need to have them as stories enacted in our movie theatres and on the screen. One more thing (I'm sorry I do carry on), the sacrifice myth does occur whether JRRT admits it or not. He descends into the deeps and rises again stronger and holier than ever. You all know who I mean. __________________ cya Last edited by Elfhelm : 12-05-2002 at 12:49 PM.

12-06-2002, 01:28 PM	#148
zavron Chieftain of The Order of The Blue Flame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: I am a Figment of your Imagination!!! OOOHHHH!!! Posts: 1,729	It's just aloud of Idiots that say they've been cured by god, and they used to be unclean until they found god and now there just picture perfect. They're all just Bible-Black Tyrants!!! __________________ Visit http://nilore.suddenlaunch2.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ''ASH NAZG DUBARTULUK, ASH NAZG GIMBATUL, ASH NAZG THRAKATULUK AGH BURZUM--ISHI KRIMPATUL...ash nazg, ash nazg......'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gil- galad was an elven king. Of him the harpers sadly sing: the last whose realm was fair and free between the mountains and the sea. His sword was long, his lance was keen, his shinig helm afar was seen; the countless stars of heaven's field were mirrored in his silver shield. But long ago he rode away, and where he dwelleth none can say; for into darkness fell his star in mordor where the shadows are. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

12-06-2002, 03:58 PM	#149
TolkienGurl Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: in the toaster Posts: 17	Crazy People Bother Me Some people need to lighten up. People are afraid of what they don't understand, and clearly this man does not understand the Lord of the Rings. He needs to read the books, and then judge them! Anyway, all his claims are false as there is no evidence to back them up. What a bunch of dung, I say. TolkienGurl

12-08-2002, 03:56 PM	#150
Andrew Baggins Sapling Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Hills, Scotland Posts: 4	"Why LOTR is the work of the devil" - well i just read an artical a few days ago about a priest or someone like that releasing a book about how LotR is a Christian book or somthing. Very weird.

12-09-2002, 07:17 PM	#151
OrlandoFan234 Sapling Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 11	Hey, that guy talks bad about J.R.R Tolkien how come he doesn't talk bad about J.K.Rolien? (Author of Harry Potter)! And no Led Zepland wasn't born when J.R.R tolkien was writing these books! Some people are just interesting!!! __________________ ~OrlandoFan234!~

12-10-2002, 05:04 PM	#152
OrlandoFan234 Sapling Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 11	I had another thought! LOTR's is about the fight against good and evil. Well that guy said that it was such an evil book how come the good side wins!?! Just a thought! The only thing I can think of that would go with that is that he is evil himself so he thought it was an evil book when the good side won!?! I don't know what do you guys think about it? __________________ ~OrlandoFan234!~

12-10-2002, 05:33 PM	#153
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Well, his logic is just brilliant. he says when he was a soldier in the 60's he was anti-Christian. At that time he read the books and loved them. Therefore, they must be evil. Now THAT is just unquestionably rational! LOL! All you can do is laugh about this sort of thing. __________________ cya

12-10-2002, 08:07 PM	#154
claudia silver Enting Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North West England Posts: 58	This is the best bit: "The world knows its own; and when the demonic world of fantasy role-playing and the morally filthy world of rock and roll love something, you can be sure it is not godly and it is not the truth." __________________ "The wolf that one hears is worse than the orc that one fears." Boromir

12-13-2002, 08:50 PM	#156
Faelnor Sapling Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rivendell, USA. Posts: 12	Yeesh. I agree with Gwaimir Windgem. __________________ -Faelnor, Elf of Funkyness.-Faelnor, Elf of Cheese. -Faelnor, Elf of Games.-Faelnor, Elf of Coruscant. -Faelnor, Elf of Hyrule. -Faelnor, Elf of way too many "Elf of" things. Ummm, yeah....that's it....riiiiiight.-Me, somewhere.

12-14-2002, 04:23 PM	#157
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	Wherers this guy from? __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

12-15-2002, 11:34 AM	#158
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	The article says Port Huron, MI. I tried sending him an email, starting off with describing my solid Christian background, hoping to win him over, but it seems that I had no such luck. Ah well, at least I got to refer him to some more good Christian fantasy. I wonder if he'll read any of it? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

12-15-2002, 08:43 PM	#160
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	It doesn't bother me that much, because I know how far from the truth it is. It's kinda funny, kinda sad, with a small measure of irittating. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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