Imagine...

[sun-star]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

This is an interesting concept to think about. Do you think people would go for it? Personally, I hesitate to strip human rights from even the lowest of scum bags.

I agree. I think human rights have to be universal or they are meaningless.

With my earlier question (about the "etc") I was trying to ask - who decides which crimes are bad enough for you to forfeit your human rights in this way? First LCoU said murderers and paedophiles, then added rapists... what's a bad enough crime?

EDIT: Also, I think that the more opposed you are to animal testing, the more it makes sense to oppose human testing without consent. They are essentially the same thing (if you oppose animal testing because it is cruel to creatures who don't get a choice).

[Nurvingiel]

Your ideas are very interesting Chrys, which is why I asked you to come in here.

Though Sun-star and others raise interesting points about animal/human testing, you brought up some other cool points too.

For example, what changes would you make to the Job Seekers Allowance? I think a lot of countries have issues with their current systems. Some reforms are probably quite worthwhile.

[Pytt]

good points Sun-star.
I don't want either animals, or humans to be used for testing. even if the humans which are condemned to death, which I think is another law who crashes with human rights, are already going to die, they should not be use for testing. maybe there are crimes evil enough, in any case you can not take their life away.

[Janny]

Originally Posted by sun-star

With or without their consent? And who does the 'etc' apply to - rapists/burglars/fraudsters as well?

*Joins the Jeremy Paxman hat wearing etc*
The animal scientist people? Conservatives? Religious people? John Prescott? How far would it go?

Boris for permenent presenter... I see you've got the popularist thing down to a tee.

Oh... there's one more evil thing the hat's making me say...
...
Did you threaten to overrule him?!!

[sun-star]

Originally Posted by Janny

Did you threaten to overrule him?!!

Did you threaten to overrule him?!!
Did you threaten to overrule him?!!
Did you threaten to overrule him?!!
Did you threaten to overrule him?!!
Did you threaten to overrule him?!!
Did you threaten to overrule him?!!
Did you threaten to overrule him?!!
Did you threaten to overrule him?!!
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Did you threaten to overrule him?!!

13 times. That's the kind of interviewer we like... or are vaguely scared by...

[Janny]

He revealed later he only kept on asking cuz they had to little material and too much time.

But he does ask himself before each interview 'Why is this lying b*****d lying to me?'

[sun-star]

Exactly what I think when I read your posts

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by inked

I suppose the US must get ready for another influx of British doctors! The government is legislating them out of business if I read your statements correctly. One can only hope that they do that next to LCoU and the Gaffer whatever employment their mean, drab little lives offer ! Let them eat cake!!!

I agree. They'll have paid health care - but like Canada - no doctors.

[Janny]

*Sniffs and burst into tears... as if to prove the above comment...*



Sunny's above comment... cross post, sorry people.

[Andúril]

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

*or since I'm the pogo stick, the one that was jumping on me was my twin sister?* o.O

That's hot.

[Nurvingiel]

Hey, we have doctors JD! Mighty good ones too. I'm not saying our system is perfect, but we like it most of the time. I've never had a bad experience with the healthcare system, and our family has asked a lot of it.

Imagine... a perfect health care system.

You're a government (in a bizarre alternate dimension) with unlimited resources. What is your healthcare system like?

What else are you going to do with your unlimited resources? It can be anything!


I would model my system after the Canadian one, but since I have unlimited resources, doctors, nurses, surgeons, anasthesiologists etc. would be quite highly paid, with excellent benefits. We would be stealing them from other countries! Mwehehe... therefore we could have pretty nice hours too, since there are enough people.

We will also have free university and college education for all. And many dorms which are in good repair and near the campus will be built. The universities will also be given enough funding for all the neat research projects, smaller classes for students, paying TAs, giving deserving profs tenure etc. This will also include enough funding to hire competent companies to run the cafeteria. Once this is implemented, it will become illegal to serve swill food in a cafetieria - swill status determined by a board of former students.

Maybe it's not fair to steal others doctors, so hopefully a lot of students will be encouraged by the free program and go to med school. Maybe we will actually pay people to go to med school as a further incentive.

The only resources that limit you are time and creativity. What will you do... what will you do?

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

One night, unbenownst to you, the craft of an advanced alien race hovered outside your window. As you slept peacefully, the aliens conducted an experiment that went horribly wrong. They intended to copy your brain onto their database for further study. But due to a malfunction in the scanner and an anomaly in the hyperdrive, your brainwaves were copied into every human being in the world.
Ashamed at their failure, the aliens left discreetly. No human had any idea what happened. After the experiment, everyone on Earth (except you), felt a little different. Their memories are the same, but they now hold the exact same values you do.
The only differing factor between one person and the next is their past experiences. Imagine... that everyone on Earth thinks like you!

What are the benefits? The reprecussions? What are the immediate and long-term effects of the change? How are governments and cultures changed? What aspects remain the same? It all depends on what you value.

I'd make evryone a christan!

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Hey, we have doctors JD! Mighty good ones too. I'm not saying our system is perfect, but we like it most of the time. I've never had a bad experience with the healthcare system, and our family has asked a lot of it.

A lot of your doctors are moving to the US. Brantford now has a shortage of doctors - and that informaiton is coming form CANADIAN pages I read while I was up there. So you can think what you want - but the Canadian healthcare system is in crisis - just like France's is.

[Nurvingiel]

Originally Posted by me9996

I'd make evryone a christan!

That's interesting Me9996, care to elaborate? Part of this thread is to see how and why people do things too. (Thanks for the bump btw )


JD, our healthcare system does have problems, but it's not like your own system is without problems.

[me9996]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

That's interesting Me9996, care to elaborate? Part of this thread is to see how and why people do things too. (Thanks for the bump btw )


JD, our healthcare system does have problems, but it's not like your own system is without problems.

You're welcome, and I;d make evryone a christian for the same reson I'm one.

[Earniel]

Originally Posted by me9996

You're welcome, and I;d make evryone a christian for the same reson I'm one.

Oh well then, that really explains it all.

(It's everyone and reason, by the way. )

[Nurvingiel]

If you do feel like elaborating on that (with possibly more than one sentence ), I would find it interesting.

How would you go about it?
Do you think it's possible for everyone in the world to share one religion?
How would world dynamics change?
etc.

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

JD, our healthcare system does have problems, but it's not like your own system is without problems.

Most of our healthcare problems are related to stupid lawyers or the damn HMOs.

[Rían]

Originally Posted by me9996

I'd make evryone a christan!

I would NOT make everyone a Christian.

[Nurvingiel]

Longer posts people! Sheesh. No wonder you have over 8000 posts RÃ*an, the closet spammer!

I wouldn't make everyone a Christian either, but I'm still interested in what you have to say Me9996.


*sigh* Or is my thread gasping for breath, clinging to life with one claw-like finger...