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not a perfect adaptation in my mind, but highly commendable i also still think it's terribly unfair to judge another person's love for something... anything... just because you disagree with the way they express it
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Man, Liv Tyler looked like she stepped out of the eighties, and Annie Lennox is scary when she sings. I could've sworn PJ thanked Tolkien in his best adapted screenplay speech, oh well...
I am impressed, I did not expect it to get all 11, but was pleasantly suprised. Congrats to the rings cast and crew! Side Note: 11 Oscars RotK deserved it Ben-Hur deserved it Titanic did NOT
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OSCAR RESULTS AND THOUGHTS
The opening with Billy Crystal as Legolas was great and it tied in with the fantastic sweep by LOTR ROTK, a long overdue tribute to Peter Jacksons vision and efforts.
BEST PICTURE • The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King DIRECTOR • Peter Jackson, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King ADAPTED SCREENPLAY • Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens and Peter Jackson, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King ORIGINAL SCORE • Howard Shore, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King ORIGINAL SONG • "Into the West" from The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Fran Walsh, Howard Shore and Annie Lennox ART DIRECTION • Grant Major, Dan Hennah and Alan Lee, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King COSTUME DESIGN • Ngila Dickson and Richard Taylor, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King MAKEUP • Richard Taylor and Peter King, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King SOUND • Christopher Boyes, Michael Semanick, Michael Hedges and Hammond Peck, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King VISUAL EFFECTS • Jim Rygiel, Joe Letteri, Randall William Cook and Alex Funke, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King FILM EDITING • Jamie Selkirk, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
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I actually didn't feel that LOTR should've gotten ALL of the awards.
Most of them, yes, but one that I really didn't think was right was the one for Annie's song. It really wasn't THAT good. |
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wow 11 for 11. Im quite impressed. 78 years of oscar history and it ties the highest records. Spin this all you like you haters but this is a fantastic victory for Jackson and his crew. And Ill personally feel smug for him in his unparalleled success for the next few weeks. I see this as a triumph for both Jackson and Tolkien despite any differences. Its the fact that there is brilliance in both works. And Ive never been silly enough to compare literature to film. They are about as different as you get. Way to go guys. Well deserved. *tips glass*
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Haven’t seen RotK yet, wasn’t particularly keen to see it after the disappointment of the other two; hope that this means RotK really improved a lot in relation to the others, but I’m not holding my breath about it. I’ll probably see it when it comes in DVD, probably.
As for PJ not mentioning Tolkien, that was rather rude of him.
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An interesting line from Ian McKellen on his (admittedly tired and emotional) way into one of those Oscar parties: it is the most popular film of all time, and the Academy has chosen to go along with that.
Whatever we think of the adaptation (and I for one would not think it merited anything but the technical awards) it's a major production gamble that has paid off big style (think of how much extra they spent on designing all those cultures). I think PJ and his team deserve it for that. It's also re-popularised the books, so I reckon that JRRT's rpm might be slowed somewhat by the added weight of some extra dosh. OK, so he's just "doing what he loves", but so does Ronaldo, and we don't complain when he wins awards and trophies. If it had been a disaster it could've been the end of his career. And we all know that Oscars aren't really just about craft and artistic ability. |
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Imho, the 11 for 11 clean sweep is justified, especially when considering the sweep of all three films together. The Academy tends to reward great efforts later than earlier.
But what fun it was to see that crew jump up every time they won another. To bad the Academy doesn't give out Oscars for ensemble acting... (Nice to be back)
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Welcome back Pailan.
I've been lurking around here for a while. Titanic was a dreadful movie, and it is the hair on the zit on the bum of Ben Hur, one of the greatest movies ever. Quote:
LotR deserved the following awards in my opinion: ORIGINAL SCORE ORIGINAL SONG COSTUME DESIGN MAKEUP I'm not sure what these awards entail, but they were probably well deserved also: SOUND ART DIRECTION They especially deserved original score and song, what beautiful music!
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ben hur was very good... but i've always been partial to sparticus
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I have to say PJ deserved the director Oscar, because of what he achieved. I personally think it deseved best picture, but that one is so subjective. The one that was a joke was Best Adapted Screenplay, for obvious reasons. (I think American Splendor should have gotten it.). But then again, I was glad that it tied the record. There's no getting around the fact that it was because of the great story behind it that the movies became so successful. I see the popularity and awards as the public's way of saying how much they love the story.
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The difference between Titanic and LoTR is that Titanic was a movie based on a historical event where people who lived through it are still alive and will take issue with it. LoTR is a fantasy. If you want to talk about bad adaptations (and bad movie making) go out and buy one of the Left Behind movies and then read the book. Now THAT was BAD.
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OK, here I go. You really don't think that putting those books on film took genius? The effort required in detail, patience etc., doesn't deserve recognition. And that it all can't qualify as superior to a movie about a horse or love or anything else that is an ordinary story in terms of reality? Gadz they should change the name of this board to "the unrealistic board".
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If some really didn't like it, and really can't abide with the changes made from book to movie, that's unfortunate. I wish everyone could relax and enjoy them for what they are. AND be glad that we at least have them... and that Tolkien's work is getting so much more attention than if the movies would not have been made. As far as adaptations, as was stated, check out some others of recent past. It's pretty well understood by most folks that a movie WILL NOT stick to the book (with fiction) or the facts (with history)... so society at large will not think the movies are an exact representation of the books. Meanwhile, YET ANOTHER friend has taken my offer of loaned books: he read 'The Hobbit' in late January and in February almost finished 'Fellowship of the Ring'... I have no doubt that he would not be reading them had the movies not captured his imagination or piqued his interest.
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well said sir.
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I did enjoy the movies, I was just disappointed. I really thought that Peter Jackson had the skill to do a good adaptation, not just an (highly) entertaining movie. Wait... isn't there another thread about this?
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