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No, I'm just an engineering type, and the font thing intrigued me, and I decided to analyze it. If I do say so myself, I was an excellent engineer while I was out in the workforce (other people thought so too; I won several company awards )
I'm sorry you think I'm annoying. Oh well ... at least my family loves me and also some of the people at Entmoot. I'm sorry I annoy you at times, but I need to be who I am, and not try to go after the impossible task of pleasing everyone. I only need to love everyone, and I'll keep striving for that I think you're a hoot and a half, and lots of fun, and I think you have a very beautiful tender heart under your sometimes prickly exterior, and I appreciate your honesty, even if it's painful to me sometimes.
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08-27-2004, 12:15 AM | #143 |
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****This is an image**** That's what I'm seeing at various font sizes... dunno if ye can see the difference there, Rian. A good large size is prolly 4-5. Anywhoo... back to that aids debate.
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I never mentioned specificially voting for the constitutional amendment. I was talking about voting on gay marriage issues. And if an issue doesn't come up on a ballot, it's obvious to all kiddies involved that it can't be voted on. I can, and did, however, VOTE for the DOMA in California. And thank God, I was not discriminated against based on my worldview beliefs. And atheists and agnostics were not discriminated against based on THEIR worldview beliefs. Thank God ... or wait ... who do they thank? BTW, 38 states out of 50 now have some form of DOMA. Often, people on your side talks like those who want to keep the existing definitions of marriage are some wild-eyed minority. Well, that idea is wrong (at least IMO; what's yours?) The majority of Americans want to keep the definition of marriage the same. I think they're good and sensible people, in general, but if you think otherwise, you're free to say so. And you can bring up the "well, years ago people thought that owning slaves was right", then I'll bring up "well, years ago people thought murder was wrong". IOW, time has nothing to do with whether something is right or not. Each issue should be evaluated on its own merits. The mere fact that something was once thought right and now thought wrong does not, of course, mean that ANYTHING once thought right should now be thought wrong. Quote:
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Please go back and re-read what I disagreed with. Yes, I believe that homosexuality is harmful, BUT in your quote, you also tossed in the word "discrimination". And THAT'S the part I disagree with, as explained above. Quote:
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So what do YOU think about the issue of if people should be able to lobby for their positions (including things like AIDS policy - whew! got in a reference to the thread title! ) based on their beliefs? Do you think that "religious" people should be somehow singled out (even tho their beliefs are of the same kind as the beliefs of atheists and agnostics) and forbidden to lobby for a position that the entire country will be voting on? And I repeat my position yet again that I think BOTH abstinence and condom use should be TRUTHFULLY and impartially presented, and I always vote for what I think is best for society, even if it doesn't always agree with what I personally strive to achieve myself. (That last little phrase always seems to get overlooked when I get accused of forcing my religious beliefs on others.) Yes, Virginia, that was indeed RĂ*an using a rollie-eyed smilie! A rare occurrance, but in this case, not uncalled for, according to our experts
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08-27-2004, 01:07 AM | #146 | |
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Uh . . . RĂ*an? Lizra may have been chuckling when she wrote this. Maybe not, but maybe. The computer doesn't allow for humorous tone very easily. Lots of mistakes are easy to make. Just wanted to remind of that possibility.
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btw, on the 'lobbying' point of the debate... i think people should be allowed to express there own opinions... but the fact is, the opinion you are expressing is not the view of many... and certainly not the view of many in the religious right... a large portion of them tend to lobby not for the truth, but for abstinance-only... which i would equate to the extreme religious groups who insist upon not bringing their children to the doctor, because they believe illness should be dealt with by faith alone... this crosses the line of an 'opposing idealology' to threatening the health and well-being of an innocent child
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I guess there needs to be a balance sometimes. While I think it is right for children to be taken away from parents sometimes for reasons of abuse, this can be a very tough issue. I'd hate to see children protected by a new law that comes out which infringes on freedom to see that protection, and that law is followed up by numerous others working off that precedent, but which tear apart freedom in more debatable areas (such as my stem cell research example).
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it is a matter of balance, i agree
though on the research thing... many basic drugs which we take for granted today were tested via unethical means... whether it be upon children, prisioners, soldiers i'm making this up (as you know i like to do ), but if it was found that innocent people were killed in the development of penicillen, would you feel it should be outlawed? or even that you could say to your child, 'no, you can't take it' i think one can, and should, fight unethical practices... including stem-cell research, if you believe it's wrong... but if something works, irregardless of how is was developed... it's seems crazy to me to just toss it aside
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Meanwhile, I think that the point you made is flawed whether the abortions are merely in the development stages or not. Your argument is the same as Shakespeare's Richard III, when he convinces Elizabeth to allow him to marry her daughter. He'd murdered Elizabeth's sons already. Then he argued to her, "the past is in the past and cannot be amended. We need to look to the future. In this future I will bless you and your own even more then I have deprived from them." It's a call the ignores justice, that ignores clear wrongdoing in an attempt to make the future a better place.
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Reminds me of an ethical dilemma (one of many, sadly) presented by Nazi Germany. They had subjected prisoners and Jews to freezing experiments so they could help their own people recover from exposure to cold, and found some valuable information, but the decent people that discovered this were so repelled by the inhumanness and cruelty of the experiments that they needed to ponder if the info should be thrown out or not. Interesting question...
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I repeat my call - let's judge each person on what they say, and not stereotype them! *runs off to the bookstore to find a copy of Richard III*
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It seems to me, Rian and Leif are saying even though their "worldveiw" is discriminatory (against homosexual marriage) it is their right as Americans to vote for discriminatory laws that support their discriminatory "worldveiw". I suppose it IS their right to vote for discriminatory laws, but the laws (if passed) would be wrong, and "worldveiw" doesn't really matter. It's unfair, It's wrong. It's a shame "worldveiws" and religion have divided our country so. It seems to be getting worse.
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Richard III is a brilliant play; I'm glad I've inspired you to get it . It's my second to favorite. When I started reading Richard III aloud with my sister, I was so into it that I wouldn't stop. I read the whole thing aloud with her that afternoon and evening, it was so good. Richard III went to the top of my list of favorite villains in the single day . Quote:
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Freedom of religion and freedom to hold differing worldviews is what the country's about! (The Mayflower comes floating across Lief's mind's eye )
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Feel free to point out that this statement comes from my beliefs, and I'll feel free to point out that your statements come from your beliefs
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And by the way do you support the LEGAL means that the folks from the Christian Exodus movement want to engage in? seems like its right up your alley. Apparently they are sick and tired of all the sinners and fornicators and the politicians who talk and never do anything about it so they are taking advantage of our democratic system to mass likeminded people in one location thereby heavily favoring the representation toward their agenda. Then their city council members and school board members will change things to what they want. From there they will move on to a county level and then a state level and if they succeed they can (and they have run the numbers) seceed from the union and have their own Christian state that god intended. Nothing wrong there that I see. All following the rules carefully so that they can ram their agenda down the throats of normal south Carolinians who don’t agree with them based on the democratic concept of SHEER NUMBERS which is your signature argument. So what are your thoughts on that? More power to them? Disturbing? Are you packing your bags to join them? I find it rather terrifying myself.
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