12-11-2005, 12:01 PM | #141 |
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You may postulate all you wish, and thank those who agree with you, however, that doesn't mean your way nor definition is the correct/only/alpha and omega, of answers.
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12-11-2005, 03:43 PM | #143 | |
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12-12-2005, 08:53 AM | #144 |
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Thanks to Lief for an interesting and timely debate. Also for being open and honest about your reasoning and rationale.
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12-12-2005, 11:44 AM | #145 | |
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very good points lief! the only part i might continue to argue on is the idea that any form of violent defense is justifiable, at least in the realm of war, since we all know we can not always pinpoint just "the bad guys"... but, that goes beyond the realm of torture, and might be an interesting thread in the future when you are less busy
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12-16-2005, 04:21 PM | #146 |
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Well three cheers for McCain. Looks like he got Bush to cave in on torturing. I bet Cheney is pretty POed.
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12-16-2005, 04:24 PM | #147 |
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12-16-2005, 04:26 PM | #148 |
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Remember, this thread is not about specific countries' positions on terror, but on torture's ethics and practicalities. Another thread probably should be made, regarding countries' actual positions on torture. This one is not the right one.
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12-16-2005, 04:30 PM | #149 | |
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As Lief has stated-Please follow his guidlines on this
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12-16-2005, 05:30 PM | #150 | |
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on topic is one thing, but if you dissect things too far, discussion becomes impossible
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12-16-2005, 05:32 PM | #151 |
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I SO second that.
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12-16-2005, 06:03 PM | #152 | |
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....er .... no comment but them rules is rules ..and y'know me .. a stickler for the rules! btw ..did JD really have a "you can only post nice things about america in this thread" thread ?? |
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12-16-2005, 06:18 PM | #153 | |
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There have been many threads on creationism/evolution. There are related subjects, such as "evidence for creationism," "evidence for evolution." There have been threads such as, "The War in Iraq," "The Elections in Iraq." "Homosexuality," "Homosexual marriage." There are many threads in strongly related subjects. In my opinion, this thread and the other thread I created are far LESS related than most of the others. I'll try to stop seeming so mad now . I'm just being defensive. But I think I am right .
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12-16-2005, 06:56 PM | #154 |
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well, thinking you are right is the usual reason for being defensive ... normally though being defensive implies whoever is doing it feels in their heart of hearts they are on dodgy ground (talking in general here you understand, lief)
but this whole dissecting unto pointlessness is kind of the zeitgiest of the moot just now ... i understand why you have split it ... but it IS very hard to discuss countrie's policies without discussing the morality behind the policies - its just a fact. oh well, i'll leave you all to it. Glad you decided it WAS morally wrong overall in the other thread, BTW best BB edit** - er ..was i in the wrong thread??? Last edited by Butterbeer : 12-16-2005 at 06:57 PM. |
12-16-2005, 07:15 PM | #155 |
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Zeitgeist is such a cool word.
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12-20-2005, 11:32 AM | #157 | |
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if the topic was "is torture ethical from a christian point of view?", you would have a point... the bible would be the deciding factor on ethics in that kind of discussion
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12-20-2005, 11:48 AM | #158 | |
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i'm not sure if the thread still exists, but it had a title something like "why i am glad to live in the US", but, instead of opening with a list of positive things about our country, it opened with a post criticizing the policies of other nations... to which many responded that the US has it's problems too... these comments were deemed off-topic and deleted... so JD had, in effect, created a thread where he could say anything negative he wanted about other countries with no possibility for anyone to respond to those claims by comparing with US policy i give him an A for ingenuity it's a good example of how a rule like "off-topic", which certainly has some positive aspects, can also be discourage civil debate if taken too literally
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