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I don't even have to look far for evidence: Woman is the gate of the devil, the path of wickedness, the sting of the serpent, in a word a perilous object." - St. Jerome Speech may be employed in two ways: in one way privately, to one or a few, in familiar conversation, and in this respect the grace of the word may be becoming to women; in another way, publicly, addressing oneself to the whole church, and this is not permitted to women. First and chiefly, on account of the condition attaching to the female sex, whereby woman should be subject to man, as appears from Gn. 3:16. Now teaching and persuading publicly in the church belong not to subjects but to the prelates (although men who are subjects may do these things if they be so commissioned, because their subjection is not a result of their natural sex, as it is with women, but of some thing supervening by accident). Secondly, lest men's minds be enticed to lust, for it is written (Sirach 9:11): "Her conversation burneth as fire." Thirdly, because as a rule women are not perfected in wisdom, so as to be fit to be intrusted with public teaching. - Thomas Aquinas |
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edit:just to refresh your memory.... However I must note for our readers less capable of ascertaining your speculative assertions as equivalent to fact, that it is not so. And that is an historically established fact verifiable through competent scholars in world-wide institutions unlikely to participate in the coverup you allege. I am impressed in your faith in this, however. So little evidence so much construction. Perhaps, next, a novel?
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As a paean to your beloved tactic, I give you a link proving that the moon does not exist! http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm |
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Negationism sounds an awfully difficult proposition to prove, what with proof of a negative being inordinately difficult propositionally. However, if it makes you feel better to employ affect inductively, feel free. It doesn't make the induction logical, recall. Do you know what a paean is? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CS Lewis once remarked that it was the praise one uttered when one found the men's room in an unfamiliar train station. That feeling I do know positively. I have long held that the mind cannot retain more than the bladder.
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I went to see the film last night (I literally had nothing better to do ) and something struck me rather forcibly: if "The Da Vinci Code" is meant to be about redressing the Church's oppression of women, why is the only female character so useless? At every crucial moment, Sophie just stands around looking pretty and asking dumb questions to make Langdon look clever. She seems smart enough while they're in Paris, but as the film goes on she gets progressively stupider - she's incapable of solving the simplest anagram, she doesn't seem to have the least bit of general knowledge, and she even appears to be afraid of gargolyes. Talk about a stereotypical weak and feeble woman! If this is worship of the sacred feminine, I can't see that it's much different from Hollywood's usual worship of pretty young Frenchwomen
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hey, I read the book on it's publication in hardback! I spent even longer than you at the movies! But as I recollect your assessment is spot on for text as well as the flick.
Did it bore you or did it provide entertainment or merely fodder for the 'Moot?
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It was interesting to begin with, but really began to drag after a while. There's just so much exposition, which is fine in a book but tiresome in a film, especially when all you've got to look at are washed-out flashbacks. Tom Hanks was very dull and unemotional - I think I could have liked his character if he seemed like a genuine intellectual, someone who's actually excited by ideas, but he never came across like that. Ian Mckellan is too good an actor to do the "I'm an English nobleman we drink tea all the time isn't that funny" routine, and should go back to panto, IMO.
I do wonder how much of the appeal of this book/film on the other side of the Atlantic is due to the fact that it features an American making fools of the French police and smashing up Paris
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The church's oppression of women and the refusal of the indoctrinated to acknowledge it even in the face of overwhelming evidence and personal experience. So what do you think about the "code"? Is the V shape the secret grail that has been hidden so long? Is it the sign of the feminine? I've never heard of that one. Last edited by Elfhelm : 06-14-2006 at 02:39 PM. |
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You know, if every "V" implies the female you know what, we live in a land of secret perverts. But I don't think it does, and just because there were v's "in olden times" doesn't really mean it was THAT. Or the Romans, who used V in the same way we use U, were really really obsessed with it.
But I don't think that issue is that big a deal. What I want to know is: why did my history lesson above get ignored, but the Goddess issue was almost forced? ...to scared to reply anyone?
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Equally funny were reports that a french audience laughed in a moment which we americans would identify as "solemn"...those batty french!
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I think I laughed at those bits too
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Perhaps you didn't read my reply? I quoted Aquinas differentiating between public and private speech. Gwai argued my quote. So, we didn't ignore you. We wouldn't. Ever. |
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Anachronistic, Elfhelm, and you know that. There was not equality for females as for males in those societal structures. Tautology. But to ignore the changing place of women in society because of the good positive influence of the Church and the cult of the Virgin Mary is equally as culpable as "The church's oppression of women and the refusal of the indoctrinated to acknowledge it even in the face of overwhelming evidence and personal experience."
The V theory was made for profit by Dan Brown. I am unaware of any serious such proposal, but I would be open to correction if any knows more and would enlighten us on this.
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I do actually subscribe to a progressionist perspective here. The lot of women has gradually improved. And the theological concepts have gradually become more abstract, with male dominant monotheism being a step along the way to an abstract non-gender divine being concept. But the parallel progression doesn't imply any cause and effect relationship to me. And frankly, the lot of women under the rule of the Amazons, which includes the island of Lesvos in the 8th c BCE was pretty darn good. So that's my evidence. By the way, I sure hope my lively chatting on this has not offended anyone. I'm mostly playing devil's advocate. I think this book is a pet rock. Everyone knows it's nonsense, but everyone has to say they read it. Pet Rocks were cool. It was never about the rock, know what I mean? |
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