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If your gonna call them idiots why don't you just call pippin an idiot instead of them both. While Pippin did some stupid things, he made up for it, matured, and learned his lesson throughout the shows. As for Merry he has done nothing idiotic or foolish except for having some fun in the shire. Which really the firework stealing really wasn't bad. It just showed theyr'e daring and have fun.
Overall Merry and Pippin (good) -set off on a very dangerous quest. -try to avenge frodo (troll). -Show frodo to Buckleberry ferry. -Confront Strider at Bree. -Save frodo and basically middle earth by leading the uruk hai away from frodo and the ring. basically sacrifing themselves. (bad) -steal some fireworks -make dumb comments -steal from farmer maggot -causes goblins in moria to know they are there I'm sure even you JD, will be able to accept that the goods greatly outway the bad. While yes the bad were annoying and caused trouble but look at what good they did. Anyone can easily see that Merry and Pippin are not just some average hobbit idiots. They are very couragous and helpful (in most cases). I rest my case. |
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As for farmer maggot - farmer maggot should have been left out - for one thing - Merry and Pipping never stole his crops - they were friends with Farmer maggot. it was just an excuse for Jackson to have another brainless out of place action scene. By the way - ahlf their speech was this childish brainless mimocry - like "duh - my name - let me just think a minute....."
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Though Jackson portrayed them that way apparently to show the seriousness of the quest and how it changes people. And how people can grow from experiences and others examples. How about Parth Galen? That scene was excellent! Last edited by thranduil : 11-09-2003 at 08:55 PM. |
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Heaven forbid any action at all, I mean come on, who needs it? I wouldn't call the while movie action, simply because it is not. The scenes of Frodo and Sam walking through the shire were so action packed! Look at how much the grass became stamped down, and how fried the sausage was! Totally like braveheart man! Oh man, and Peter Jackson REALLY should be lynched for making the hobbiton scenes lighthearted and joyful! Man he totally ruined Tolkien's image of a happy, exhuberant place! Oh, and Merry and Pippen were so badly portrayed! Gandalf really had no reason to yell at them at all! They weren't ever a little goofy in the books! They were always stone-faced and serious like Aragorn. Oh yeah, and there were no scenes ever where there was no action at all! Man, the Green Dragon scene was SO violent I had to shut my eyes to protect myself from the gruesome horror of people having a joyful time! Come on people, think about it for a second. If the movie was SO action oriented then why didn't they spend an hour and a half on the prologe to cover the deaths of Anarion and Gil Galad? Lothlorien lasted a good fifteen minutes without any action at all, not including the river and Argonath.
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the special effects and and the sets didnt outweigh the bad job PJ had done with the story and carachters, in JD's opinion.
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Where else can you find this level of job security? (The salary may be another matter entirely. ) "Action" films are not bad in of themselves. I consider LOTR to be above (way above IMHO ) your average book. A movie adaptation of LOTR has the potential to be much better than your typically average "Action" movie. Does that mean the film will be devoid of any action? No, but the focus will not be primarily on Action/reaction events. (I wish I could articulate this better ) There were many things that I liked about PJ&co. LOTR movies, but there still were many things that could have been done better.
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Having read this thread I'm starting to agree with the title of this thread.
Including the Voice of Saruman at the end of TTT would've been possible, it just would've meant that they had to think of a different way of ending the film than the traditional cavalry riding to the rescue. As a result,
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Of course I have read the books, of course I have complaints, and I do see yours I really do but you seem so convinced that the movies are crap that you ignore everything that they did right. I have never read one thing, ONE thing that you liked about the movies. If you could do that then I think that I would have a less draconian attitude towards your opinions. It is like you are telling all of those thousands of people that worked on these films for years that they did a crappy job and need to start over because YOU didn't like it. They worked hard and long to bring us the best on screen adaptation there ever has been for LOTR. To concede, I do think that at least was too goofy, but not badly cast. I am upset with the Theoden exorcism scene is, and I do not like how Aragorn asks HIM to ride out with him, when it was the other way around. I hate how Theoden is a pit of despair and sucks people into it. There were no women and/or children at helm's deep. They were at the city with the pukel-men, the name eludes me. Tell me one thing, ONE THING that you think was good and I will stop being so overly critical and my more purist self will become apparent.
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Oh by the way, I would say that matrix reloaded and revolutions with the nasty rave s*x parties has a distinctly different mood than LOTR. They are action, these have action in them, in some cases too much, but that is what was in the book. Why not take some of a good thing and turn it into a lot of good thing that will attract customers to help put food on the plate? Tolkien didn't write much action because the english language lacks the words to describe fighting without being visual. I have tried, and it doesn't work, that is one reason why I draw my own illustrations.
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I also question jackson's motivation by the way considering the action. He OWNS the special effects companies - don't you think he has even more of a self interest in making the films as action oriented as possible? By the way - I HOPE Jackson and people involved with the film read this. I hope they see what I have to say about their film. I hope they see all the other negative things people say.
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Today is full of movie directors who hope good effects will cover up the rest of their bad job. thats why I started my thread "filmakers abuse CG". All those directors out there are too lazy to take the time to make a quality movie.
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I can understand that you think that the movies are crap, and i also understand that you are critical of their work. But I think that we can safely say that as of now, these movies are the best adaptation that has ever come to the screen. Criticism is a good thing, when it is constructive. Keyword: CONSTRUCTIVE. Totally slamming the works won't help anybody. If you are so insulted by them, then simply don't see them. I would like a more book-oriented movie made but you know how much these "bad" movies cost, how much do you think a more real adaptation would be?
Don't blame the underdogs of the movie-making process. Mostly the CGI people, because they did their job well. Jackson doesn't own their company, WETA workshop does. He may have some stock or something in that but he certainly doesn't own them. The artists worked hard to keep the on screen adaptations as accurate as possible. How else would you put a balrog on screen? an actor? I do not think so. Is there a set big enough to hold the whole Argonath (which were misinterpreted in the movies grrr...)? I don't think that everybody deserves criticism, and I am not saying that no one deserves criticism, but lets try and keep it constructive.
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I wouldn't call the CGI scenes "slapped" together! Maybe you people that do not know the buisiness and technology can say that, but the rest of the CGI community and myself know different. My career is in that field, more into the videogaming aspect than movies, but the concept is the same, and the work is difficult. I am a little tiffed that you cannot appreciate how hard we work on this sort of stuff.
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