05-29-2002, 11:30 AM | #141 | |
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Fortunately, Tolkien pretty much tells us that free will exists in his universe. In fact I htink I remember him having some doubts about this very subject, the nature of evil...
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05-29-2002, 12:12 PM | #143 | |
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I always interpreted it as more of a berserker rage. Where they recieved energy, and an unwaverng will. Driven by that will they would recklessly run themselves right upon the enemy, with absolutely no fear. When the ring went into the fire, the servants of Sauron were dazed and confused. Much like a berserker might be if his rage suddenly vanished. I don't think it was because they were suddenly incapable of taking action. I also don't think they threw down their weapons and stood there trying to surrender, but rather dropped them when they turned to flee.
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05-29-2002, 08:47 PM | #145 | |
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Your logic is there, but the story is told in the rigid framework of good versus evil. If this was the thread who's name shall not be mentioned I would quote, "...in principle, the nonexistence of..." Iluvatar "...for the obvious reason that His existence would imply that He was indifferent, wicked, or cruel" and therefore did NOT exist. But, he's in the books so he does exist... in the book.
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05-30-2002, 12:10 AM | #146 |
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Odd that one should be saddened by the fruition of one's plans. Yet that's just the impression Eru gives at Melkor's rebellion.
Of course I suppose you could continue to split hairs by saying it was an act
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05-30-2002, 11:02 AM | #148 |
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Well that's what happens when you stir free will into your easy bake kits.
And for some odd reason, all the supreme creators seem to be deists... "I've set everything in place, lets watch it all unfold" Maybe it's like that prime directive thingie Or too much freewill in the mix....
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05-30-2002, 06:04 PM | #149 |
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... Or they like sitting back and watching the resultant chaos...
Gladiators, anyone?
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Without some difference the whole world thing would be pretty boring, true...
one doesn't necessarily have to take it that far though...
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Nanites would seem to be easier to mend then say, AIDS, since one should have the blueprints. But what would the Indians and Pakis do if they had them right now?
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05-31-2002, 11:20 AM | #152 |
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Nanites? In a reletavism thread?
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Hrmmm... an example of why you shouldn't go back and clean out your subscribed threads....
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