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12-18-2005, 11:14 AM | #142 | |
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12-31-2005, 01:59 PM | #143 |
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Only in America........?
http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/m...p?storyid=3396 Wouldn't you say that this was true discrimination?
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12-31-2005, 02:03 PM | #144 |
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Obviously not!
Mainstream Media won't note these events... http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/m...p?storyid=3453
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"He cites his training at the Navy Chaplains School in Newport, R.I., where "they have clipboards and evaluators who evaluate your prayers, and they praise you if you pray just to God," he said. "But if you pray in Jesus' name, they counsel you."
Muslim, Jewish and Roman Catholic chaplains are likewise told not to pray in the name of Allah, in Hebrew or in the name of the Trinity, he added. But the Rev. Billy Baugham, executive director of the Greenville, S.C.-based International Conference of Evangelical Chaplain Endorsers, says restrictions on other religious expressions have "yet to be tested." "No Islamic chaplain has been refused to pray in the name of Allah, as far as we know. Neither has a rabbi been rebuked for making references to Hanukkah, and no Catholic priest has been rebuked for referring to the Blessed Virgin Mary." The Navy allows chaplains to pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Allah or any other deity during chapel services, spokeswoman Lt. Erin Bailey said. At other public events, "Navy chaplains are encouraged to be sensitive to the needs of all those present," she said, "and may decline an invitation to pray if not able to do so for conscience reasons." Lt. Klingenschmitt has not been formally punished, she added, and there are no plans to take him off active duty." I note your sig, BJ.
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what's more important, the message or the word "jesus"?
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01-03-2006, 07:45 PM | #150 | |
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The difference between the black, the Muslim, and you is the black and Muslim don't tell you you're damned to eternal hell for your beliefs. You, on the other hand, tell (if not personally, via your theology) the Muslim that he is so damned. You also, perhaps, tell the black as many blacks are Muslim, animist, atheistic, or in some other non-Christian group. To be clear, I'm not asking you to agree this is right. I'm merely providing you with a possible answer to the question you yourself have posed. Do you understand the point here? |
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The scandal of particularity again, eh? For Christians, Jesus is the issue, BJ.
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this is why so many well-intentioned religions ultimately fail at transmitting the, admittedly very positive, moralities the try to teach it's not discrimination at all to take the kind of dual-approach the other chaplins are suggesting... it is simply common sense
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01-04-2006, 12:41 PM | #153 |
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BJ,
It is NOT his personal view. That's the problem. It is the stated reality of the Christian Church. I refer you to the Creeds and the New Testament and, of course, 2000 years of historical proclamation. Personalizing it does not make the problem non-existent. It is merely a postmodernist ploy to avoid reality...yet again!
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not everyone who believes in god is a christian... is it so difficult to ask him to acknowledge and respect this fact? discrimination stems from this kind of elitist mentality... that one religion or another, or one nation or another, owns the much more universally-human concepts of morality... "if i can't preach in the name on jesus, then i'm not gonna preach at all" if this individual took a bit more time to understand his non-christian fellows, he might actually realize how similar his views are and how little he'd be giving up by showing a bit of respect this is not post-modern... it's an issue thinkers have been wrestling with since before jesus was born
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And one good military religious "discrimination" story deserves another...
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/ap...acad-a30.shtml I really wonder what is more prevelant in the military... Anti christian discrimination? Or pro christian bullying?
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the names have changed, but the ideas our the same... and that is the important part, being able to separate the ideas from the names
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Sorry, BJ,
It's the old Lord, liar, or lunatic problem. Jesus claims to be God, that eternity is dependent upon one's response to His claims, and that His activity is the Source of All-that-is. It's not the ideas, Dude, it's the Person of Jesus, Yeshua bar Yosef, Incarnate Creator, Redeemer, and Savior of humanity. Now, will you be taking the poached egg dude or the liar dude or the God of the Universe dude?
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