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02-23-2005, 05:05 AM | #141 | |||||||||
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Here are some behind the scenes discussions on Wikiepedia when some people wanted to use USAmerican and the term USian instead of the correct word American.
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02-23-2005, 05:10 AM | #142 | ||
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02-23-2005, 05:12 AM | #143 | ||
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02-23-2005, 05:46 AM | #144 | |
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02-23-2005, 05:58 AM | #145 | |
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Many have mocked the issue - such as BoP - by putting such words as "offensive" in quotes to to describe USAmericans. That is another reason I see no reason to change my stance. No one wants to have respect here - I'll show no respect here.
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02-23-2005, 06:37 AM | #146 |
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It seems contradictory to me to demand respect while saying you're determined not to show respect to anyone else. You can't claim that using offensive terms is wrong and then do it yourself just to make a point.
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02-23-2005, 07:12 AM | #147 | |
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Everyone is screaming that her freedoms are being restricted and everyone turned this into a "see how we don't have freedom". Well I've just demonstrated how people wish to restrict my freedom - but yet defend her right to be deragatory to Americans - by using a term that has been made up and that she knows pisses most Americans off. Several people mentioned the irony of this thread - and yes it is very ironic. The same people who are demanding that she be allowed to use USAmerican - even though it pisses many americans off - have a problem with my free expression of using the term euro-whiner. As I said - I will freely allow her to use the term USAmerican and I won't bitch about it - as long as I'm able to use words such as Euro-whiner that piss people off.
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02-23-2005, 07:28 AM | #148 |
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Honest question: do you honestly think that "USAmerican" is equivalent, in terms of offensive potential, to "Euro-whiner"?
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02-23-2005, 08:22 AM | #149 | |
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EDIT: I don't know if this counts as criticising moderating decisions - it isn't intended to be, but I'm interested to know if USAmerican is now considered a banned word or something while Euro-whiner isn't.
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02-23-2005, 08:30 AM | #150 |
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Thought about it...
Don’t mean to interrupt the current dialog, but I’ve been thinking about my post on this thread for a while and I’m ready to post.
Me. Little ol'me. Has been to the Whitehouse, been decorated by an Admiral, put myself through college, lived in 6 states and visited 20, attended church since I was wee with my grandmother, was married in that same church without any problems from the Government, I've never been told I don't matter by the government because I come from the wrong family or don't make enough money....and importantly, I get to sit in this great office, behind a cool computer, and talk with the BEST kind of people (MOOTERS!) while family, friends, & complete strangers voluntarily serve in the military and civil positions to protect me, willing to 'risk death' for me and my freedom...no small thing. (Kept it personal as thread designates by first-person design).
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02-23-2005, 09:37 AM | #151 |
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from what i can see...
USAmerican = offensive to americans, although merely statement of geographical relationship Euro-whiner = generally offensive, and insulting, especially the "whiner" |
02-23-2005, 12:46 PM | #152 | ||
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We at Entmoot are a community, we, in a sense, live with each others opinions and we communicate with each other on a daily basis. To keep our community safe and crime free, we have laws in place and police to enforce them. We ask the community's cooperation in complying with the laws or the requests of the police to keep it a safe and happy enviroment and pleasent place to post. So this means not useing terms that some may find offensive such as: USAmericans" and Euro-whiners. It stops now.
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02-23-2005, 12:52 PM | #153 | |
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And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. |
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02-23-2005, 12:53 PM | #154 | ||
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02-23-2005, 01:27 PM | #155 | |
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And last child - USAmerican is NOT "merely a statement of geographical relationship" That is why you don't understand why it pisses many of us off. It's a matter of self. I can be called Robert, Bob, Rob - but if I'm called Bert, Bobby or Robby - it pisses me off. American has a particular symbolism with it - "American Dream", "American Revolution", "America the Beautiful", "American Flag", etc. USAmerican is cold and distant.. You may not understand - but then again - you aren't American and aren't having your nationality redefined and relabeled. Also - Euro-whiner is only offensive to those who are European. The term Euro-whiner doesn't affect me or Americans at all - nor does it affect Canadians, just like you claim that USAmerican only affects Americans. So don't try to say that it's generally offensive - because its not. It's MERELY a description of a geogrpahical location's attitude.
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02-23-2005, 01:49 PM | #156 | ||
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USAmerican doesn't make sense anyway. If you're from the United States of America, you are American. Just as if you are from the Czech Republic, you are Czech. You are not CzechRepublican or some other non-sensical name.
Since I'm from Canada I can be called Canadian, Canadienne (in French. Canadien for guys), or a Canuck (perfectly acceptable slang). If you call me a Canucklehead or some other stupid nickname I might have to send the Crack Squad of Attack Beavers after you. USAmerican annoys me and I'm not even American. Euro-whiner annoys me equally. And I don't care who started it. To eliminate confusion about continent residenecy, say North American for residents of said continent, and American for people from the USA. Now there are no excuses for erroneous labels. Erm... yes. Just thought I'd add my two öre there. I might have mentioned the freedom to use the internet already, but this is a great one. We can complain about the internet, and the media as being a bit biased or whatever you want to say, but I can't even begin to imagine how biased the media in, say, China is. Not to pick on China unnecessarily here, because I bet there are many countries who restrict their citizens' access to news, but it's a good example. Linaewen... are you in China right now? (Why do I think you're on exchange at the moment?) If so, you could give people Peacefire.org links.
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02-23-2005, 03:26 PM | #157 | |
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02-23-2005, 03:31 PM | #158 | |
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Oh, I may go to Alaska to visit relatives this summer, and am very curious to see what it's like there. I personally love the people and culture and landscape of the US, but am often unhappy with all the various governments present. But that goes for governments around the world. Last edited by Embladyne : 02-23-2005 at 03:33 PM. |
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02-23-2005, 03:51 PM | #159 | |
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And I'm happy we have two free nations next to each other that we CAN go between so easily as to make that possible.
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