10-18-2004, 06:42 PM | #141 |
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I'm trying to catch up, and enjoying all the posts and thoughts that went on while I was camping IT rained on the camping trip, tho, and I have the sniffles, and am a little fuzzy-brained - it'll take me a bit to process all those posts.
1. One quick question, tho - I forget if you said you considered yourself a Christian or not - do you? If so, why? (forgive me if you already answered that - I have to go catch up on your posts!)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 10-21-2004 at 03:46 PM. |
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No worries R*an. I am Christian, Anglican in fact.
I hope you get better soon.
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2. And the second question - why do you say you're a Christian? IOW, were you born one (like you were born with a certain hair color), or did something happen to make you one (like you are a student at your uni because you applied for it and were accepted), or what? Could you please explain why you say you're a Christian
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 10-21-2004 at 03:46 PM. |
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1. I am selfish and lazy 2. God made me 3. Therefore : God intended me to be selfish and lazy. Do you agree with my conclusion? (#3) Or do you think that there is something more going on here, esp. with the meaning of the words "made" and "intended"? I agree that any in-depth discussion of homosexuality should definitely be moved over to the Gay/Les thead, but as long as it doesn't dominate here, or if it can be applied to other areas of your beliefs, then it can stay
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 10-18-2004 at 07:58 PM. |
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4. What is the significance about Numbers? I don't get what you're saying there 5. If you think God is behind the creation of the Bible in any way, what do you think His purposes were in giving the Bible to us?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 10-21-2004 at 03:47 PM. |
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10-19-2004, 08:57 AM | #147 |
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Well said. Nurvingiel, Define Christian, please.
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in suburban america, the idea of not having food at all is rare for most... so "good" and "bad" are not so much having or not having... but whether you are stuck eating mac 'n cheese for dinner or a nice steak a "good" person in the first example might give some of his own rice to a needy child... a "good" person in the second example might buy his neighbors a turkey dinner for thanksgiving... but is one any more "morally good" than the other? this is what i mean by relative... outside of some magical world where every wish immediately appeared in front of you, any existance, no matter how easy, would have things you strive for and ways in which you can help other people... what i'm saying is you don't need thousands of dying children to appreciate life... the same morals could be just as easily reinforced on a much smaller scale... possibly even better, because you would not have the "numbing effect" that the magnitude of suffering in the world can have on people
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I just spent half an hour writing a post, then I accidentally clicked on the Entmoot banner, and then the computer wouldn't go back to it.
I'll write it again later........
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This is a little shorter than what I originally wrote, but at least I did it in Word this time.
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I think anyone who believes in one God, and that Jesus is the Son of God, is a Christian. There are other monotheistic religions, but I think only Christianity believes Jesus is the Son of God. You are not born into a religion, however your parents will often raise you in their religion if they practice one. You can choose your religion (or to not believe in God), but you can’t choose your parents or where you live in the world (at least, not where you’re born, which affects your life.) I’m Christian because both my parents are Anglican, and I was raised that way. I haven’t seen anything in my life to make me not want to be Anglican (or Christian). In fact, I’ve seen wonderful things that strengthen my beliefs. Quote:
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10-19-2004, 11:15 AM | #151 |
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Nurvingiel,
You would limit Christian to a person who believes in God and that Jesus is the Son of God. Well, to take a page from Wayfarer, I'll need for you to define your terminology . The reason is that Christians have historically defined concepts that are specific about those terms. Subsequent redefinition of those terms do not mean the same. What, precisely, do you mean? And to quibble ( ) if the Bible needs be read in its entirety before making statements about it, why have you been making statements about it? . Your impressions, perhaps, but statements? and, does one need be fully read in either Tolkein or Bible to comment? What is the nature of authority on which you (apparently) rely?
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Some terms are hard to define. God is... God. I did go into that in more detail a page or two back though. A son is male offspring. I'm not sure what you want from me here. Quote:
However, if you want to make a statement about the meaning of an entire chapter, it helps to have read the entire chapter or the whole Bible, if you're inferring meaning about the whole Bible. It depends what level of depth you want to explore.
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10-19-2004, 11:57 AM | #153 |
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What are your thoughts on prayer and angels?
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6. And to throw in another point to ponder on the question of what makes a Christian - the Bible notes that the demons believe in God, and they believe that Jesus is the Son of God - does that make them Christians?
(more responses later ... ) (and thanks for tackling our questions so thoughtfully! I appreciate it, and am enjoying the discussion, and getting to know you better )
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 10-21-2004 at 03:49 PM. |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Nuvingiel,
you wrote, "I don't know any historically defined concepts of Christian. Care to share some? " I do not for a moment accept that dodge! You allege to be Anglican and you have not recited the Creeds? Now, I too am Anglican, but they made me take Inquirer's classes/Confirmation classes. You should know some history! 'fess up!!
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I wouldn't limit a Christian to this but these beliefs are the bare minimum. Most Christians believe in more than this but they are the Christians basic beliefs.
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also not directed at me, but I want to answer my thoughts as well. Limited someone to that, no. But the defention of christian (well practicing christian) is someone who beleives in god, and believes that jesus is the son of god, it's not a limit, but it is a baseline. To be a christian, you need to have those 2 things. |
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Hi, Valaru! Welcome to the Moot, and feel free to comment on anything in this thread We're focusing questions on Nurvi right now, but comments from others are welcome. You can take a turn in the "hot seat" later on, if you'd like! The more, the merrier!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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