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Here is the part of my #4298 that is relevant to the present discussion and that I don't think your #4300 addresses at all Quote:
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alas, there was your 4302 my 4309 your 4325 and 4333 my 4354 and 4355 etc, etc, etc
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Computers!
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Oh and Im very disapointed. I only got 791 when I plugged in "dog" and "tightrope" and "tractor".
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I consider the absence of evidence to constitute that rebuttal. You may believe as you will in the face of the evidence or in the lack of the evidence.
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I think we also have sufficient evidence that you are attracted to men... I just had this bizarre mental image of Mission Impossible 2... with all the masks... Random person: Haha, I'm not really gay! *pulls off mask* I'm straight! Random person's date: Well I'm not really straight! *pulls off mask* I'm gay! Bwahaha. RP: Oh yeah... *pulls off another mask* etc.
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Hey, how is the CDC data good for teen abstinence (#303 - 305) and not good for my stuff on the GLBT thread (#4222) ? Inquiring minds want to know!
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No one disagreed with the data presented about crystal meth use causing a rise in HIV transmission. Thats a no brainer. The issue was the point in posting the article to attack that god awful "gay lifestyle". Thats what people took issue with.
And by the way youll note that the CDC was mentioned in my article (most prominantly) because they CENSORED their OWN studies that showed that proper sex education was a useful tool in combatting pregnancy and STD spread among teens. I mean how attrocious is that. Lets not give kids life saving information because the Bush administration doesnt like how the facts work out...
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I was not attacking the gay lifestyle, merely pointing out certain risks having been identified with specific behaviours per the CDC data .
If the CDC restricted this data for MSM and drug-users for the allegations that displaying it brought, would you be condemning them for their silence? The data are impartial. They say what is. That's true for heterosexuals and homosexuals and the behaviours of each group, the use or non-use of condoms, the use or non-use of drugs, etc.
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there's that phrase again, what is this "gay lifestyle" i keep hearing about?
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I'm with you on that one Chrys.
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Maybe I misunderstood you, but I thought you were trying to use the data to show that homosexuality is harmful. It's this conclusion that bothers me, but sorry if you didn't reach that conclusion. You do get jumped on a lot, I wouldn't want to do it unfairly.
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Well, IR said gay lifestyle.
So, if the opinion is that there is no such ting as a gay lifestyle that is because: a) you find the term denigratory; b) you think that there is no difference between gay and straight people; c) you think that there is no significance to which orifices are used for sex; d) you think that all the acronyms (e.g., MSM - men who have sex with men, WSW - women who have sex with women, etc) are preferable; e) you think that the term gay lifestyle is discriminatory; f) grouping people by behavior is intrinsically wrong morally no matter how effective it may be in monitoring behavior and effects/affects? I fail to see the opposition to gay lifestyle as a descriptor as valid. And, as I have quoted afore, it does define behavioral consistencies remarkable over about 50 yrs of documented research. What do you suggest as an alternative to descriptive language?
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If you imply that being gay is a lifestyle, then the expression "gay lifestyle" is criticizable. If you use "gay lifestyle" as a synonim for lewd, then the expression is criticizable. On the other hand, if I say "the gay lifestyle includes more fruits and vegetables than the average american's lifestyle", then it is fine. It is not the word per se that matter, it is the meaning given to it by the person saying it. It is not the fingers with which "gay lifestyle" is typed that matter; it is the heart with which "gay lifestyle" is typed that matters. When you write "gay lifestyle" do you mean to say that gay people's love for each other is Good? If so, than I don't think that the actual choice of words matters that much Last edited by The Wizard from Milan : 03-05-2005 at 10:44 PM. |
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