11-26-2004, 03:11 PM | #141 |
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How? They work and they keep survellance on the close area.
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11-26-2004, 03:19 PM | #145 |
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I think this is a interesting subject. I'm ceartainly for cameras, beacuse they help the police solve crime. but I agree with you, JD also. I think it is scary that the government may track us, and see every move we make.
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From what I have seen - Europe doesn't have the same protections on personal freedom and privacy that Americans hold dear and that our constitution enforces. The supreme court has struct down several things out of the patriot act which they deemed unconstitutional. In Indiana - they were having road blocks to check for drugs - which I was completely against and even got into an argument with the Governor the one time when Channel 6 News had a live webchat with him. it's funny - he was so sure it was acceptable and after arguing for a while - he dropped it - but the Supreme Court ruled it as unconstitutional and Indiana was forced to stop doing those ridiculous roadblocks (I wanted so much to call hijm up and ask him "so who was right?" . I'm also against alcohol roadblocks too (those for some unimaginable reason have been upheld though).
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11-26-2004, 03:31 PM | #148 |
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Cameras aren't t keep you personally under 24 hour surveillance(sp) it is to make sure if anything illegal happens they can stop it happening again. Stopping and checking your house would be implying that you yourself under surveillance.
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Maybe this is the difference between Europe and the US on security - we don't think our government is out to get us all the time
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The cameras used to guard private property (if this property is a public area, CCTV cameras often aren't used. For example, there's a large garage at the end of my road which has CCTV coverage so there's no coverage for the rest of the surrounding area). The 'government' ones*. These cover main streets - where I live we have a couple on the high street and one or two on the seafront. Basically the places where the most people go, not residential areas. Speed cameras. To stop people breaking the law on speeding, going through red lights etc. Some places like railway stations also have them, and they are very helpful in solving crimes in areas where there are no police on the beat. * this may be a Local or County Council issue rather than a government one - I'm not quite sure.
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remember - hitler came to power and killed jews - not all in the beginning - but by slowly taking away things the majority of people were willing to give up. Guns, pornography, etc. Also remember - the burning of pornography - later became the burning of books. It's a slippery slope when you give the government too much power and control and when you willingly reliquish your privacy and freedoms. So how long do you think Putin will be president of Russia now? prime example of someone rolling back freedom, privacy and consolidating his of power. When the US Congress gave Clinton the line item veto - which allowed him to veto a part of a bill and sign the rest of into law - the Supreme Court struct it down because they deemed that it gave the president too much control - which I agree. I completely left the president in control of legislation - instead of it being a matter of compromising.
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GPS could harm the patient of the operation whereas cameras are just monotiring actions. People shouldn't be doing anything that a policeman/woman wouldn't be happy to see themselves. So if you have nothing to hide then cameras shouldn't be a problem.
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Thanks for the info Sun-star.
JD, if I had ever been treated the way you had by Wal-mart I would probably boycott them too. That sucks. I did read everyone's comments following mine, and I only have a comment on this. Quote:
Well, they have systems to put trustworthy people in positions with responsibility in Britain. For example, police officers have a huge responsibility. Maybe a similar method would be used to decide who would operate and observe the cameras. You would want someone who would be good at finding possible evidence for a crime etc. and who could be trusted not to point one into people's windows.
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I see your point here, but I think this is a very different situation. The wrongness of Hitler's actions was in the orchestrated murder of millions of people, not having public security cameras (if that is what they were). If he used cameras to gather information to discriminate against German citizens, then that is wrong as I stated before.
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Yet Hitler was arguebly a terrorist. Blair isn't. Hitler wanted to kill and Blair doesn't. There is a distinctive difference.
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At some point, you have to trust the government. There are corrupt cops out there, but pretty much all of them are just trying to do their jobs as best they can. I think a similar system would apply to security cameras.
I mean... there's no guarantee that someone from the government isn't reading our posts right now! Hey... is this your tinfoil hat?
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