Religious Knowledge Thread - Page 8

Elvellyn · 03-28-2003, 11:52 PM

I had read somewhere that the head of the Wiccan "church" er whatever was the devil. I don't know if someone said that already though.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-28-2003, 11:54 PM

I don't think so. I believe that the Wiccan God (not the Goddess) is sometimes portrayed as a green man with horns, which corresponds to the traditional Christian view of the Devil, hence confusion.

Coney · 03-28-2003, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TinuvielChild
I think Coney just forgot to check the thread.

I did

.....sorry about that, I'm in a pretty "heavy" religious discussion in pm's at the mo'.........I'll get back to this thread as soon as I've chatted through on pm

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-29-2003, 01:20 AM

Hmph, already this needs a bump!

Am I the only one who is interested in learning more of other religions?

Arien the Maia · 03-29-2003, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I guess I was a bit too personal. Sorry!

Okay, I have a question for Catholics:

Catholics:

1. Could you give a general overview of exorcists?

Also, if you could answer my previous question I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks very much for your time!

P. S. - To Wiccans: Was my original question regarding your religion too personal?

Ok...I still don't have my catechism with me...it's over at my fiance's house as is my bible...but I can try to answer this question...ok first, my opinion on exorcism is that I truely belive that possession exists. However, I think that there have been few to no exorcisms performed lately due to the fact that we know alot about mental disorders and so on. But the Church can still perform an exorcism after they investigate into it. More or less, the priest is acting in the name of Jesus to expel the demon from the human. Hope this helps...we didn't really get a briefing of the rite of exorcism in Catholic school

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-29-2003, 01:31 AM

O yes, I definitely believe in possession as well. I believe that there are forces of evil (i.e. demons), and that they are powerful. Not in comparison to God, of course...

Anyway, I wasn't expecting the actual rite..hmmm...any exorcists on the 'Moot?

But rather, a sort of an overview. i.e. There are some priests who sort of "specialize" in exorcism, right?

Arien the Maia · 03-29-2003, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
O yes, I definitely believe in possession as well. I believe that there are forces of evil (i.e. demons), and that they are powerful. Not in comparison to God, of course...

Anyway, I wasn't expecting the actual rite..hmmm...any exorcists on the 'Moot? But rather, a sort of an overview. i.e. There are some priests who sort of "specialize" in exorcism, right?

I believe that demons are fallen angels, just like Satan ...or Lucifer, "God's beloved" (though not as powerful). Tolkien really got alot of his creation story from the Bible

I think that the Vatican does have priests who "specialize" in the rite of exorcism. If a priest thinks that an exorcism should be performed, than he would go to the Vatican and they would send people to investigate. I'm assuming that they also have priests who are specialists in other areas of theology as well, such as eschatology (sp) and christology etc.

TinuvielChild · 03-29-2003, 06:08 PM

GW- I don't think that's all that personal a question, so I'll do my best to answer it. There are various different gods and goddesses in the different pantheons - such as the Greek gods, the Egyptian gods, the Celtic ones - which people can and do worship. However, much of the time, they're simply referred to as the God and Goddess.

TwirlingString · 03-29-2003, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I don't think so. I believe that the Wiccan God (not the Goddess) is sometimes portrayed as a green man with horns, which corresponds to the traditional Christian view of the Devil, hence confusion.

I heard that there were no pictures of the devil until the church ran into the wiccans and then suddenly everyone knew what he looked like...and there are a LOT of wiccan gods, the Green Man and Pan are just some of them.

TwirlingString · 03-29-2003, 06:18 PM

TwirlingString · 03-29-2003, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elvellyn
I had read somewhere that the head of the Wiccan "church" er whatever was the devil. I don't know if someone said that already though.

If you mean head as in a pope there is none

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-29-2003, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TwirlingString
I heard that there were no pictures of the devil until the church ran into the wiccans and then suddenly everyone knew what he looked like...and there are a LOT of wiccan gods, the Green Man and Pan are just some of them.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Wiccans started in the 20th century.

TwirlingString · 03-29-2003, 07:01 PM

OKay now you're WAY off, wicca is OLD from before Medival..Druids are an off shoot but I don't know if they're from the origionals or no. The first time wicca was intriduced to the pubilc (as in book) was somewhere are the 1600s(I think, ask TC)

Coney · 03-29-2003, 07:10 PM

Old? Wicca ain't even entitled to a pension yet!

I'm nearly 65!

I'm sure I posted this link before somewhere

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-29-2003, 07:11 PM

I read on a Wiccan site that it was introduced either in the 1900's or the 1800's, I don't remember which, and many people said that it was much older and was only being re-awakened or something like that, because they felt that a brand-new religion would not be nearly as liable to appeal as an ancient one.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-29-2003, 07:15 PM

From a quick search on Google, here is an overview of Wiccan history, from a site about world religions.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-29-2003, 07:17 PM

Also, I now have two questions for Wiccans:

What is the Book of Shadows?

and

What purpose do pentagrams have in Wicca?

BeardofPants · 03-29-2003, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
From a quick search on Google, here is an overview of Wiccan history, from a site about world religions.

I'm sure I'm supposed to know this, but I'm gonna ask anyway: What does B.C.E stand for? Cos that site that you posted states that the Gravettian-Aurignacian is 1500-2500 B.C.E. However, I know that that this time period is 15,000 - 25,000 years Before Present. Does the c refer to 'century'? (God, I feel dumb.

)

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-29-2003, 08:21 PM

Before Current/Christian Era.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-29-2003, 08:23 PM

Hmm...Coney slipped his in while I wasn't looking...oops.

03-28-2003, 11:52 PM	#141
Elvellyn The Redneck Elf Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In a house Posts: 539	I had read somewhere that the head of the Wiccan "church" er whatever was the devil. I don't know if someone said that already though. __________________ Oliphants make great pets.

03-28-2003, 11:54 PM	#142
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I don't think so. I believe that the Wiccan God (not the Goddess) is sometimes portrayed as a green man with horns, which corresponds to the traditional Christian view of the Devil, hence confusion. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-29-2003, 01:20 AM	#144
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Hmph, already this needs a bump! Am I the only one who is interested in learning more of other religions? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-29-2003, 01:31 AM	#146
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	O yes, I definitely believe in possession as well. I believe that there are forces of evil (i.e. demons), and that they are powerful. Not in comparison to God, of course... Anyway, I wasn't expecting the actual rite..hmmm...any exorcists on the 'Moot? But rather, a sort of an overview. i.e. There are some priests who sort of "specialize" in exorcism, right? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-29-2003, 06:08 PM	#148
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	GW- I don't think that's all that personal a question, so I'll do my best to answer it. There are various different gods and goddesses in the different pantheons - such as the Greek gods, the Egyptian gods, the Celtic ones - which people can and do worship. However, much of the time, they're simply referred to as the God and Goddess. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

03-29-2003, 06:18 PM	#150
TwirlingString Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My mother would say somewhere between the adult mystery section and the YA sci-fi Posts: 489	nvm __________________ "The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!” Last edited by TwirlingString : 03-29-2003 at 06:43 PM.

03-29-2003, 07:01 PM	#153
TwirlingString Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My mother would say somewhere between the adult mystery section and the YA sci-fi Posts: 489	OKay now you're WAY off, wicca is OLD from before Medival..Druids are an off shoot but I don't know if they're from the origionals or no. The first time wicca was intriduced to the pubilc (as in book) was somewhere are the 1600s(I think, ask TC) __________________ "The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!”

03-29-2003, 07:10 PM	#154
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	Old? Wicca ain't even entitled to a pension yet! I'm nearly 65! I'm sure I posted this link before somewhere __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

03-29-2003, 07:11 PM	#155
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I read on a Wiccan site that it was introduced either in the 1900's or the 1800's, I don't remember which, and many people said that it was much older and was only being re-awakened or something like that, because they felt that a brand-new religion would not be nearly as liable to appeal as an ancient one. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-29-2003, 07:15 PM	#156
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	From a quick search on Google, here is an overview of Wiccan history, from a site about world religions. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-29-2003, 07:17 PM	#157
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Also, I now have two questions for Wiccans: What is the Book of Shadows? and What purpose do pentagrams have in Wicca? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-29-2003, 08:21 PM	#159
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Before Current/Christian Era. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-29-2003, 08:23 PM	#160
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Hmm...Coney slipped his in while I wasn't looking...oops. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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