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Lief, it's the old "Jesus was a hippie" card.
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Perhaps we should merge this thread with the "Gender issues" thread. It's starting to get the same
Interesting though that there are hardly any completely new kind of governments people want to establish, but mostly based on an allready existing example. (I didn't read everything, so I'm sorry if this comment is not correct anymore ) I wonder in this owning your own country situation: would you promote cooking yourself or going out for dinner and would work be mostly full-time or part-time? How about health and work? Would there be laws to force companies to make sure their employees are healthy? Which brings me to think about how far the companies should influence the private lives of their employees, but that's a different thing.
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Uh oh...a new cause for me This could be the one I win...
Mari for Moderator!!! (why didn't I think of it before?)
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The only really unique thing about my country is the voting age (of 12). Mari, I agree that it's interesting that most countries are quite similar.
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Anyway, the Catholic Church set out its beliefs and published them. There are records of their stated beliefs, so it can be seen how things have changed over time and how they have not changed. When the popes made decrees, those were recorded. Basically there were a lot of records and there is a good deal of history available on how they acted. We also have the scriptures and many of the writings of the Early Church Fathers. Catholic teachings are based upon those writings, those of tradition, the Bible and the decrees of the Church councils, if I'm not mistaken. Gwaimir would know more about this than I do. But one can see from the statements, records and decrees they've made in the past whether or not there have been significant changes. Quote:
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Also, this is not an excuse to kidnap people and make them work for your own economic profit. That is disgusting. Prisoners of war is one thing, as is a situation where someone is unable to pay a debt if there is not an economic situation in the country that can cope with it in a better way. There are many forms of slavery and reasons for slavery. Some are bad while others are acceptable, in my view.
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And by the way, Lief, do you do anything at all besides post essay-lenght posts here in a minimum of 2 threads DAILY which I assume must take you at least a good forty-five minutes a piece to compose - don't you have a social life? School? A job? I'm just wondering, 'cause my god but you go on and on and on in these threads at ALL hours of the day and night, no matter the time, and at such great and careful length... How come you refuse to post a picture of yourself in the Entmoot Photo-album? You were accusing Sistercousin&aunt of being "someone else," etcetera, and accusing her of all kinds of creepy subversive stuff, yet you yourself after a good three years here have not once ever conceded to telling your own true first name or showing anyone any kind of photograph of yourself, at all. But the main thing I am calling you out on right now is how suddenly you are saying that in your ScaryLiefLand now all of a sudden Judaism might be allowed, whereas before it was strictly verboten, and I am wondering why your litttle change of heart now, and if this is the case, why not allow ALL religions stemming from or influenced by the bible, which by the way contains text that many religions adhere to and follow?
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A small handful of people here know my name. I sign my name in PMs to a few people. I haven't released a picture of myself on this website because I don't know how to use our scanner. There's another reason, too, why I'm not posting a picture, and if you like I'll tell you it over PM.
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What? Who's he?
*Looks him up.* Oh. Interesting . . . uh, no, that's not me . Lol.
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I guess thats alot funnier if your over at least 40.
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I know it's different in Switzerland though, so I guess it might also be different in America. Slavery had indeed a very bad sound and almost everyone immediately thinks about people kidnapped from Africa and taken to work elsewhere while treated badly and inhumane, but as Lief and Nurvingiel have pointed out there are more things that can be seen as slavery. How about children slaving on shoes for a few cents while those same shoes are sold here for say 100 dollar? There was some big news here in the Netherlands about there being slaves in China. China said they would try to take care of it before the Olympics. In India next to nothing is being done to the slavery practices. Oh, but I'm getting a bit off topic. Anyway, considering the things said by Lief and Nurvingiel and my own experiences, I would allow payment in natura under certain conditions (the offered roof can't leak for example and the three meals a day have to be edible and there should be something more given like my education in business/ valuable experience) To answer my own questions posted earlier, I would have a dual system which allows for both full and part-time work, for as far as possible. I would try to make high-pressure jobs part-time, or at least less high-pressured. Companies interfering in employees private lives is not my ideal, but it certainly has its advantages and therefore I would make some basic laws forcing companies to have varied food in the cafeterias (not banishing junkfood entirely, but just making sure there are things besides junkfood ) and regarding sick and maternityleave etc. By making your employees go to the company gym at least once a week for an hour or have health check-ups or house visitation would work for some people to keep clean and healthy. Especially in a company with different cultural identities it might work to reduce the amount of differences (not saying cultural differences are bad!) and thereby establishing a more cooperative environment. It is a creepy thought though that you'd have to adhere to what your company thinks is best for you. Also I would promote cooking at home, but would also try to ensure that the dinerplaces had mostly healthy food and not just junkfood (No MacDonald around every corner I now live in walking distance of 3 MacDonalds, 1 KFC and at least 10 other junkfood-selling-establishments excluding the non-pizza and french fries selling junkfood places)
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Capitol City: Tol Ingwë.
Population: Elves, particularly Vanyar, by this time the population is 120 million. 1 - What would you make the legal drinking age? Any age, we don't get drunk that fast. 2 - Driving age? 16 (we're (usually) smart enough then 3 - Age of sexual consent? 18 4 - Voting age? 18 5 - At what age would someone become an adult (free from parental control)? 18 6 - What types of recreational drugs (if any) would be legal? - Pot - Tobacco - Cocaine - Alcohol Sure! - LSD - Caffeine Why not! - Heroin - Other? Pipe Weed 7 - Can people have guns? (if so - who and what kind?) NO...unless it's issued by a military order, or if we're under attack. Well that won't happen, Aman is lifted from the misery of Morgoth. By the way, how's old Morgy doing anyways? 8 - What would be the name of your country? The Undying Republic of Ingwë, led by The Golden Council 9 - Would you have the death penalty? If it's bad enough, yeah. If you're a true threat to society, like an orc, troll, Ungoliant, or evil wizard, we'll try to imprison you first, and if that doesn't work, we'll break your staff or yes, unfortunately, we may authorize the death penalty. It would not involve torture, unless you're a troll or orc or something that came from Utumno or Angband and you're holding information that we need to know. 10 - What would be the speed limit? 161 kph (100 miles per hour). 11 - What types of religions would be permitted or restricted? The you're either with Eru Ilúvatar and the Valar or you're not, aka Valartani. You're allowed to believe in anything, as long as you respect the authority of the Golden Council. Which of the following would be legal: 12 - Porn? The Noldor and Teleri like this one and they'll be allowed in the city so we'll legalize this. 13 - Prostitution? NO. 14 - Polygamy? NO. 15 - Homosexuality? If it's monogamous. It's not my thing personally but it'll be legal. 16 - Stem cell research? Hmmm...let me think on that one. Well it's not necessary here so it's neither legal nor illegal. 17 - Human Cloning? Humans? Okay, we'll allow some of them here. Afterall they helped out the Noldor. I think we should give them a chance to come here. But no, no human cloning here. We'll already be up to 240 million population by now. 18 - Cock Fighting? Wow, brutal. Nope. Won't allow it. 19 - Slavery? Hmm...nope. Is that how one treats the Children of Eru? Now a troll or orc, yeah. 20 - Hunting? Yep. 21 - Fishing? Yep. 22 - Eating meat? Yep. 23 - Littering? NO. 24 - Unisex bathrooms? Eh, neither legal nor illegal. We'll see about that one. I won't care either way. 25 - Suicide? Well that's neither legal nor illegal, but I would STRONGLY advise against it. 26 - Gay marriage? If that's what's you're into, it's not illegal here. 27 - Abortion? Nope. 28 - What types of sexual activity (if any) would be illegal? Cheating on your lover, prostitution, anything generally considered to be extremely insane or extremely dangerous. 29 - Would your county be clothing optional or clothing mandatory? Mandatory. 30 - Would you have obscenity laws? If so - how would you define "obscene". Keep swearing to a minimum. It's irrelevant and is a very inefficient style of speech. Words by themselves hold no harm. If the Humans come here, don't welcome them by telling them they're short-lived, or generally short to begin with. It's not illegal, but racism, sexism, etc, is still something that will be met with a warning in most cases. If it's a joke and it's not meant to be offensive, don't declare war. A warning is the best thing to give. 31 - What system would you set up for collecting taxes? - Income tax? (how much?) - Sales tax? (how much?) - Import/Export tax? (how much?) It's Aman, no taxes. Our economy is fishing, hunting, and exchange of technology and information. Kinda like Star Trek, except without the ships and not in space. 32 - What criteria would someone need to pass to become a citizen? Not an orc. Not a half-troll. Not a spider. Not a traitor. Not Morgoth, Sauron, or a Balrog, dragon, or evil wizard. You should be an Elf, but humans are allowed as long as you were faithful in life and came back to the Halls of Mandos in return for doing something awesome. Not a wraith or Nazgul, not a fell beast or of Ulfang's line. Not an Easterling or Southron, unless you were a good guy (we'll know the difference). Must not have an evil laugh when we present you with the "how many Balrogs does it take to subdue Ungoliant" joke. The rules can be interpreted beyond their written version. I like that rule. In fact that applies to everything from now on. 33 - What types of people would you allow (or not allow) into your country? We don't discriminate. If you were Avari or Nandor and you were unwilling to come here by the Second Summoning, you will simply have to pass the citizenship exam. If you answer the first question right, you're exempt from all other questions. Question: What is the name of the country you are attempting to gain citizenship for? Answer: The Undying Republic of Ingwë. If you answer "Utumno" or "Angband" you will automatically be driven into the void with your buddy Morgoth. 34 - What type of government would you establish? Pretty much Paradise. That's how we think of it here. 35 - To what degree would your government be allowed to censor or restrict the media? Let them say what they want. If the people are happy, that's all that matters. The power is in the people, not the leaders and certainly not the media. Happiness is what you came here for, after going through hellfire in the mortal lands (see Middle Earth for more information). 36 - Aside from laws - what sort of unofficial (and unenforced) cultural rules and traditions would you like to establish? For example - taking shoes off before entering someone's home. Or not eating with the left hand. Hopefully you learned some manners. If not, we'll put you through courses to improve your manners. When myself, Galadriel, Celeborn, or Cirdan, or the last of the originals, are present, make it look like you know your manners. |
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Ingwe, I like your country.
But how come the population is growing so fast? And how in the world are you going to put them all on a Cuba-sized island? By the way Elvis, or should I say Lief: aren't you supposed to be dead?
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