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07-18-2002, 09:35 PM | #143 |
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An interesting observation that supports my theory that overexposure to Americans (through personal association or media exposure) just give them more chance to make us go "Wha?? ":
The newspaper I subscribe to is in the middle of some kind of labour dispute. I think the printers' union is on strike or something. (That's how I know it's summertime!...ahh... I think people prefer not to strike in the dead of winter. Picketing is not fun in rain or snow. Only teachers do not strike in summer. ) Consequently, I have read no newspapers in the past...oh...2-3 weeks, I'd estimate. I'm quite busy with work and courses and don't really watch TV, so I'm quite in the dark as to what's going on internationally. My puzzlement (occaisionally approaching exasperation - in only the more extreme cases) with the goings on south of the border has decreased noticeably. If it goes up when I start receiving regular news again, then it will lend further support to my theory. |
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07-19-2002, 01:38 AM | #145 |
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My theory that anti-anything sentiments are proportional to the amount of knowledge or exposure you get to that thing. The more you see a group, the more chance that group has of intentionally or accidentally doing something to annoy you. Kind of like how I couldn't care less what someone halfway across the city that I never see does around the house, but constant exposure to my kid brother means that the two of us have unlimited opportunity to get in each other's hair. Not that we don't get along most of the time, but annoying things are harder to ignore. America, as a very high profile nation, is hard to ignore. We've established that. Ergo...
Anyways I am merely speculating that, right now, my ignorance allows me to ignore things that would otherwise cause me concern. Of course, when the downstream effects really start to take hold, I guess I'll have to take notice eventually. But I have alot of other things to worry about. I've touched on this before. Do you always put words in people's mouths? I thought it was quite clear. I mentioned nothing about self-interest. That's a different point entirely. This is more of an interesting sampling issue. |
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And I agree - over exposure does make a country or person more of a target. Does that mean that they should change their beliefs because others don't agree - not necessarily.
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Hmmm...that was very far from the objective of my post. You may be overthinking.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm much more kindly disposed towards Chretien (our PM) and Campbell (our premier) lately too, for the same reason. Although Campbell not as much because the relevance of provincial politics is such that I will feel the effects quite soon whether I read them in the news or not. Federal politics...yah.. not as much. International stuff...even farther down the line. And just to make this clear, I think I have a perfect right to be happy or dismayed by anything that happens internationally. I'm very limited in what I can do about it, naturally, but it's important as a person who lives in this world to think about what goes on. There's alot of stuff going on in the world that I don't have to like, and to be completely egalitarian about it, I don't exempt America. Or Canada for that matter. |
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Now that she's explained herself - I agree we get put under the microscope more for what we do because of the exposure. I haven't seen anyone so far criticise Moroco's and Spain's action on entmoot concerning The "disputed island" in the Straits of Gibralter - now if the United States had done something like this - there would be an uproar on this board about it - along with around the world. And part of the reason is that America's actions get reported more heavily than other countries. Spain Army Ponders Clash Over Island - ABCNews.com Spanish offer on disputed isle - CNN.com And this is all over a 320 acre island. So I do agree with her statement that the US gets more exposure and therefore criticised more.
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I also thought that maybe you were responding to the ABCNews.com article I had posted - which was basically about how the US is going to weigh what it's allies want - against what the US wants. Then we'll go in the direction we think is best after weighing the two.
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The point I was trying to make anyway - is that Americans felt it was your war - not ours. The American people were not behind the government in getting involved. America was however sending secret supplies and working behind the scenes in support of the allies. Japan attacked us and got us involved in the war. Of course today one to the conspiracy theories is that the US government let that happen so American public would change and support going to war. Today many people say that our government allowed 9/11 to happen for the same purpose. I personally don't believe that the US government let Pearl Harbor (or 9/11) happen - but it did get us into the war. Looking back on history it's easy to say we needed to get involved - it would have been a disaster if we didn't. Hindsight is 20/20. On the other hand - the result of WW II made us an international player, got us out of our isolationist stance and made us the world power and the country we are today - which is what most people seem to have a problem with.
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The image problem with Britain on WWII was Neville Chamberlin's appeasement approach. It's not fair. hawever, to describe them as uninvolved. The were 100,000+ REFs evacuated from Dunkirk. The US made Britain's survival possible through supplies during the BoB. Many US seamen were killed by U-boat attacks prior to the US entering the war as a combatant.
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Looks like Israel overstepped the mark with their air strike on a building with known civilians. Eight or nine children dead. When will the petty fighting stop?
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Is this forum here so we can bash americans? America has a lot going for it but unforntally you send out an image of selfishness and been self richious. This is to be expected of such a young country i suppose with so little cultural heritage oh and been led by the most powerfull hillbilly the world has ever know (and b4 u start blair bashing u should of seen who he was up agsinst at the last election).
America would be liked by the world if it relised it wasnt so important. Started playing against other nations at sport. When you come to england not call everything quaint. Oh and drop them silly liencing laws 21 to drink no wonder we all think ur odd. Oh and sort ur kids tele programs out they only have a few topics oh no hes smoking he will die in the next 24 hours. I was once watching hang time and it just gave out completally unsubastanted comment about dope i think the drug barrons shud sue.
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Delcaring war is not a simple business at all you know. Britian and France had made a promise to poland that if the germans attacked we would delacare war. Unforntally war did ensure and many lost there lives including 20 members of my family (long time ago i know).
But anyway america did not get involved till they were directally attacked not simply caught in the crossfire. this was the same in ww1 and ww2. we were glad for the help but we would of won the war anyway if you hadnt joined us for it was neither britian or america that turned the tide of war it was the russians who lets not forget lost 23 million people in ww2. Britian would not of fell till the last bristish person was dead such is the character of the country
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And before you complain about the US - have you ever been here to know what your complaining about? I disagree with the 21 year drinking laws (I think it's stupid and should be 18) - but sorry - but you have no vote in US domestic situations since you don't live here and that complaint has no effect on you. And what do you mean we don't participate in world sports? We do - we're just not that interested. Why don't you guys start taking up baseball and American football before you start the lame complaints of what sports we compete in or who we compete against.
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Oh and BoP - I think Bush should have condemned and related the US's outrage to the F16 attack in Gaza a bit more forcefully. This is the type of stuff that will turn American's against Israel if they're not careful. It was like killing a fly with a cannon. No one really seems to believe that Israel did not think there would be citizens around when the F16 attacked - like Sharon claimed.
And the petty fighting isn't going to quit until BOTH sides grow up. I still side more with Israel than the Palestinians though. The Palestinians CONSTANTLY talk and brag about killing innocent Israeli citizens. Where is there outrage in those deaths? - no instead they cheer in the streets. When the Twin Towers were destroyed - the arab world cheered in the streets. They seem a bit hypocritical there. They only condemn the deaths of their own people but view everyone else as less than human.
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