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I believe that if there is a God then we are very presumptious indeed to assume that we know what he/she is thinking and where we stand in the grand sceme of things. Life is to be explored but lets not go putting lables on Divine beings
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You've stated several things you purport to be fact. Normally I'd argue with you about it, but according to the page at the other end of Afro-Elf's link, the burden of proof rests on the claimant. So we'll sit here and you try to convince us. We're reasonable people, so if what you're saying is in fact true you should have no problem showing us.
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For example, granted that man did evolve from an earlier ancestor, what evidence is there to say that this earlier ancestor was not also a human? A christian says that all humans have common ancestors in Adam and Eve. Humanity has changed and 'evolved' to better fit certain environments, true. Since you freely admit that the origin of life is open, is it not as feasable to assume that humans evolved from humans as it is say that they evolved from lower promates? Equally so, we have seen dogs evolve from dogs, and cats from cats. These are completely useless for showing that dogs and cats evolved from lizards.
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Oh, and we are not DESCENDED from Apes, we SHARE a common ancestor with them.
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The reason that the 'human' that is Homo sapiens did not 'evolve' from earlier H. sapiens, is because that is not macro evolution. That is microevolution, which is a baby step towards the process of macroevolution. Secondly the fossil record has produced individuals who are different from us, and have different adaptive mechanisms. For instance, the robust Australopithecines have big jaws and molars; this is a specialisation to eating hard nuts. Neanders were cold adaptated, and had lower heavier skulls, and also a bigger brain capacity than us. You only have to look at Lucy, to see how much, our species has evolved over time.
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Since my Great-grandmother is a H. sapiens, and recent, then no, she did not mate with an ape. And beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. You are just being Homo-sapiens-centric.
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My Tanach teacher would say you're watching the movie and the missing the point...
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I'm not claiming to know the point of all this, so yes, I aggree with you there. It's nice that you think you know the point, well done. Kudos to you. I don't. That's why I'm trying to watch movie, to try and get my own point of view.
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It's Darwin's finches. Some have big beaks, some have small beaks, some are green and some are yellow. It's perfectly reasonable to say that they likely had a common ancestor. It's completely ridiculous to say that they all evolved from... what's your critter, Therapods? Tree-Crocodiles? They're all finches. I'm not fully convinced A. or N. are part of the human tree, but even if they were it's easy to see how they could have split off through microevolution. You can still go back to an original human, just like you can go back to an original finch. But you get into trouble when you try to go beyond that.
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You can also Imagine life as a bunch of trees. At the bottom you have original, created man. Moving up you see different varieties and flavours of man, some of which die off. Eventually, at the top, you come to present day humanity. Now that we've got that straight, there's still the matter of proof. It's fairly well established that all humans have a common ancestor. So my scenario makes sense. I have yet to hear a convincing arguement to convince me to move from this to what you believe. Quote:
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Let me put it this way: a pit bull cannot breed with a saint Bernard (although i doubt it's ever been tried). But they're still dogs and not some other animal. We know that there are different strains in all types of animals. Humans have different hair colours, eye colours, height, weight, build, features, etc. It is conceivieble that, if we were to breed humans for certain traits the way we do animals, we could create people that look a lot like neandrethals, or hobbits, or whatever. They would still be fundamentally human. What you could not do is take a cat and breed it for traits that will eventually produce a dog. Or even something like it. That would require a substantial addition of genetic marterial. Quote:
I knew that, you twit! ...that was fun. ]: ) It's all very well for you to say that. However, you still haven't attempted to convince me that these specimens are any more than different races of human, or species of primate. Now, I have a question for you. It's all very well for you to say that 'evolution takes time'. But humans haven't changed much more in the last 100000 years than they have in the last 100. In fact, I have a sneaking suspiscion that if I took Mr. Neandrethal, cleaned him up, and sent him out into the world, he wouldn't be particularly easy to distinguish. Another problem with your time arguement is that fossils of seemignly modern humans have been found, and 'dated' at older than neandrethal. I'm going to go kill myself now for my inability to remember citations, but I hope you'll forgive me. My clone should be educated and ready to continue this arguement by the end of the week.
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All you people who believe in Theism, they are trying to murder me (well, not quite that bad) in the anti-Theism thread. Could you guys help me out? My brain is starting to go dead. THANKS!!!
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