Tolkien's Languages - Page 8

Ruinel · 04-27-2003, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Oh, by the way, I found out something interesting:

"stupid tolkien

all teh elf languages should b da same
they should all d da same"

From an AIM conversation.

Aiiiii!!!!!!!!! *draws sword* [b]Give up the blasphemer!!!!!!!!! Give up his name!!!!!!!!!!!! Burn him!!!
*a crowd gathers, begins chanting "Burn him, burn him, burn him, burn him...."; shoves Ruinel to the side; bundles of sticks begin to be piled in a central location and a bucket of pitch is brought in*

*getting nervous among the throngs of out of control, chanting people* Ummm... anyone for a weenie roast instead? I've got s'mores?

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-27-2003, 12:17 PM

The David Day encyclopedia has some really nice art.

I think it's worth the money. And I admit I did buy Noel's book, too, unawares.

Actually Ru, I believe it's a she, not a he.

Take a guess as to whether or not I added her to my buddy list.

Ruinel · 04-27-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Actually Ru, I believe it's a she, not a he. Take a guess as to whether or not I added her to my buddy list.

I'm guessing "no". You don't seem to be the type to surround yourself with idiots. I take it that this 'she' has not read many of the books. She doesn't understand why the languages are supposed to be different, or the stories surrounding those changes. *sigh* ignorance....

BTW, I wouldn't switch anything in your mind with Wayfarer's. There's a high probablility that the information will make it's way into your mind highly corrupted or with a tag-along virus, which would spread through your own mind like a wild fire. Then you too would be as ... eh... mmmm... strange. And more than one of Wayfarer is way too much for me to handle (yeah, Wayfarer, if you're reading this I said handle... as in "I can handle you" *wink*

heheheehe).

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-27-2003, 01:45 PM

Thanks for the advice...

Ruinel · 04-27-2003, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Thanks for the advice...

Glad to be of service.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-27-2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Blackboar
Why does that happen to every book of information I get!
I spent loads of money on a really nice looking encyclopedia by David Day, turns out he should be avoided and I wasted my money, now this! I learnt all the Quenya I know from that book, and its probably just a random bunch of words strung together!

Why me?

No, the words probably have some amount of validity. Some, I am for certain, do. I have the book- I was given it- and some words are right. Other than the words, I don't know. I wouldn't worry, but I wouldn't use the book.

Ardalambion.com is great though!

Ruinel · 04-27-2003, 09:29 PM

My keyboard is fixed. I'll try to post something in a few days, but I'll be busy until then. If someone else wants to post something, that would be great.

Wayfarer · 04-27-2003, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Why does that happen to every book of information I get!
I spent loads of money on a really nice looking encyclopedia by David Day, turns out he should be avoided and I wasted my money, now this! I learnt all the Quenya I know from that book, and its probably just a random bunch of words strung together!!

I don't think you have cause for concern. Day generally manages to get straight what tolkien originally said. Where he screws up is his unfortunate tendency to... elaborate, speculate, basically make stuff up and add it to what tolkien said.

Example: He declares that the watcher in the water before the hollin gate was called a Kraken, and that it was a maia. Obviously he's talking out of his hindquarters.

The real danger is that he manages to blend his fantasies so well with the good information he has, and makes it believable.

Elvellyn · 04-27-2003, 10:16 PM

Wayfarer: How long did it take you to learn Quenya?

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-27-2003, 10:16 PM

Kinda like MERP. Except they didn't do too well on keeping Tolkien straight.

Wayfarer · 04-27-2003, 10:31 PM

Learn quenya? I haven't actually learned it. I know quite a bit of vocabulary, but other than that I have to work to piece sentances together.

markedel · 04-27-2003, 10:34 PM

Wait...we don't know-maybe the watcher in the water is a maia and is called Kraken...there's just no proof either way.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-27-2003, 10:38 PM

But the Maiar were given names in Elvish. Istari, Melian, Annatar, Sauron, Olorin, Aiwendil, Curumo...

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-29-2003, 08:46 PM

Ruinel- quentere tecuvare. Quentere raica, lÃ¡ tencere ar tecean. Merealye ahya i quettar Quenyallo lamben Atanion? Merin care i Quenya quettar mÃ¡ra, nÃ¡rente?

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-29-2003, 08:58 PM

Lia qualin? Ai. Haryan estel la nas. Ai!

Ruinel · 04-29-2003, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Ruinel- quentere tecuvare. Quentere raica, lÃ¡ tencere ar tecean. Merealye ahya i quettar Quenyallo lamben Atanion? Merin care i Quenya quettar mÃ¡ra, nÃ¡rente?

translation:
Ruinel- words writing (or shall write). Words wrong, not spelling and of write. Your wish change the words from Elvish languages of Men? I wish make the Elvish words good, center flame?

not sure about some of the endings.

Ar i lia nÃºn...
Thread dead? Alas. I shall have hope not be. Alas!

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-29-2003, 10:00 PM

Not exactly.

More like: "Ruinel- said she (that) she would write. She spoke wrong, she didn't write and I am writing. You want to change the words of Quenya to (the) tongue of Men? I want(ed) to make the Quenya words good, are they?

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-29-2003, 10:04 PM

When I wrote the post in Quenya, I forgot that verbs go at the end of the sentence in a question. Also, the second Quenya post of mine, translates to: "Alas. (Is) the thread dead? I have hope it is not. Alas!"
Maybe I am messing up stuff.

Ruinel · 04-29-2003, 10:16 PM

AntasinyÃ« nyÃ©rÃ« yassen velnyel, OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«, umerin i lia qualuva. Nan antaseren, OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«, ar carinuva vinya quentali len. Uqueluvanyel, nildenya. UhehtuvammÃ« sina lia.

Ruinel · 04-29-2003, 10:25 PM

Mauren fÃºmÃ«, ar i lÃ³mÃ« nÃ¡ yerna. NamÃ¡riÃ«.

04-27-2003, 12:17 PM	#142
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	The David Day encyclopedia has some really nice art. I think it's worth the money. And I admit I did buy Noel's book, too, unawares. Actually Ru, I believe it's a she, not a he. Take a guess as to whether or not I added her to my buddy list. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-27-2003, 01:45 PM	#144
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Thanks for the advice... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-27-2003, 10:16 PM	#149
Elvellyn The Redneck Elf Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In a house Posts: 539	Wayfarer: How long did it take you to learn Quenya? __________________ Oliphants make great pets.

04-27-2003, 10:16 PM	#150
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Kinda like MERP. Except they didn't do too well on keeping Tolkien straight. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-27-2003, 10:31 PM	#151
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Learn quenya? I haven't actually learned it. I know quite a bit of vocabulary, but other than that I have to work to piece sentances together. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-27-2003, 09:29 PM	#147
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	My keyboard is fixed. I'll try to post something in a few days, but I'll be busy until then. If someone else wants to post something, that would be great.

04-27-2003, 10:34 PM	#152
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Wait...we don't know-maybe the watcher in the water is a maia and is called Kraken...there's just no proof either way. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

04-27-2003, 10:38 PM	#153
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	But the Maiar were given names in Elvish. Istari, Melian, Annatar, Sauron, Olorin, Aiwendil, Curumo... __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-29-2003, 08:46 PM	#154
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Ruinel- quentere tecuvare. Quentere raica, lÃ¡ tencere ar tecean. Merealye ahya i quettar Quenyallo lamben Atanion? Merin care i Quenya quettar mÃ¡ra, nÃ¡rente? __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-29-2003, 08:58 PM	#155
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Lia qualin? Ai. Haryan estel la nas. Ai! __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-29-2003, 10:00 PM	#157
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Not exactly. More like: "Ruinel- said she (that) she would write. She spoke wrong, she didn't write and I am writing. You want to change the words of Quenya to (the) tongue of Men? I want(ed) to make the Quenya words good, are they? __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-29-2003, 10:04 PM	#158
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	When I wrote the post in Quenya, I forgot that verbs go at the end of the sentence in a question. Also, the second Quenya post of mine, translates to: "Alas. (Is) the thread dead? I have hope it is not. Alas!" Maybe I am messing up stuff. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-29-2003, 10:16 PM	#159
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	AntasinyÃ« nyÃ©rÃ« yassen velnyel, OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ«, umerin i lia qualuva. Nan antaseren, OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ«, ar carinuva vinya quentali len. Uqueluvanyel, nildenya. UhehtuvammÃ« sina lia.

04-29-2003, 10:25 PM	#160
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Mauren fÃºmÃ«, ar i lÃ³mÃ« nÃ¡ yerna. NamÃ¡riÃ«.

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