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Still waiting for your response to the rest of my post, by the way.
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06-25-2008, 03:57 PM | #143 |
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Hehe, no Lief, those are your words. I did not say pro-lifers are idiots, nor do I think so. There is a difference between being an idiot and being intolerant. But this is semantics.
Responses to posts like this? I'd rather not..
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06-25-2008, 04:03 PM | #144 |
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That's one snippet from a larger post full of argumentation .
Never mind. Do what you like.
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The Wikipedia quote is not germane. Tell me where anyone is 'aborting' a pregnancy a week from birth. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Lies.
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06-25-2008, 05:00 PM | #148 |
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Just a side note and slightly off topic:
I just love how it gets restated that women know the risks when they have sex and that they'll have to face the consequences, but no one talks about the men. They know the risks, but if they are the irresponsible kind, they don't have to face any consequences whatsoever. The burden of this consequence in too many cases falls on the woman, her family or the state. Sorry, it's off topic, but it keeps striking me as odd.
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But you haven't refuted what I said. I have never tried to argue that criminals are treated as having zero rights. I've simply pointed out that some of their rights are removed (through due process), when they are guilty of crimes. Roe v. Wade specifically, according to that quote, allowed states to legalize abortion in the third trimester, and this can go right up to birth. Clearly it's germane. It said states could allow the practice. Roe v. Wade authorized this kind of extremely late-term abortion. Even if states don't permit it that late. A lot of partial birth abortions have taken place. Some of which were very late. I don't know of any 1-week from birth ones, specifically. But that isn't important to my point, which is the arbitrariness of the violence and the enormous similarity between children who are allowed to be aborted and those that aren't. EDIT: I'd also like to mention, in response to your comment that I was a participant in "Hitler's 'Big Lie' system" and that all my words were "lies," that even if my facts were incorrect (which they aren't, as I've already demonstrated), that wouldn't make me a liar. I could be honestly mistaken. To jump to conclusions in a fierce name-calling spree is pointless and dirty.
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You're easily confused, I think. I asked you to be specific about where "abortions one week before birth are legal." You respond with a wikipedia article that says that, due to RvWade, "the state can choose to restrict or proscribe abortion as it sees fit during the third trimester when the fetus is viable ". The question I asked was very simple.
Where, in actuality, and not 'potentially' (if state legislatures choose not to restrict abortion, at all) can anyone get an "abortion" of a child at 39 weeks gestation? Who wants to bet the answer is "nowhere"? Who would like to bet, with me, that this is another straw man argument? or "Big Lie", as we like to call it. @@
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Sis, I added a couple paragraphs to that post, since you began your response. You may want to respond to them too.
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By the way, in the UK, you can get an abortion at 39 weeks gestation.
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Lief, do yourself a favour and delete the Daily Mail from your bookmarks and flush it from your cache. Seriously, it really is an appalling rag.
However, tis true, in the UK you can get an abortion any time if "two doctors agree that a woman’s health or life is gravely threatened by continuing with the pregnancy or that the fetus is likely to be born with severe physical or mental abnormalities." The only country in Europe in which it is totally illegal is Malta, and even there the maximum sentence is 3 years. So while your position seems, to me, to be self-consistent, I think there are very few who actually share it. Not even the Maltese are saying abortion is the same thing as murder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6235557.stm |
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LOL, I can see that.
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Unborn Victims of Violence Act So, you see, it's not just a a local thing. A law passed by the president spefically states that a fetus "at any stage of development" is alive, and capable of being murdered. It seems to me that the government acknowledges that a fetus is a person from the point of conception. After all, conception is part of "any stage of development".
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Well that's a miscarriage. I think girls who are planning on aborting are probably a little less likely to run around telling everyone about it. And the only one who really has to know is her and the doctor people (depending on state laws and her age and whatnot though).
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