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What would YOU suggest using, Wizard? At least what Lief mentioned isn't subjective.
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In response to your post, first I must point out that I have never in this thread used Bible quotes to support my position. The "anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery with her in his heart," passage was only mentioned to explain why in the past I thought that I should remove all sexual desire from my life. It wasn't an attack on homosexuality. Second, in this thread I have not been arguing that homosexuality is wrong and sinful. I don't think R*an has been arguing that either. What I've been getting from her posts so far is that she's been arguing that people should not be persecuted for wanting to change from homosexual to heterosexual. I've been arguing that homosexuality is not genetic, for I think there is a good deal of evidence of this.
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I don't see why men can't be bisexual, that's just dumb. My bisexual male friend would also quibble with that. No, he's not just faking it or whatever. Quote:
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I'd rather that that higher thinking part of us accepts ourselves for who we are, and others for who they are. While we agree on a number of points, I'm coming from the view that homosexuality (the sexuality, and the acts of) are right, and your view is that the acts of homosexuality are wrong. So, I can see that we're not quite going to reconcile on that point. Quote:
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I personally haven't formed a decision for myself on whether I believe male bisexuality exists or not. This is one evidence that suggests bisexuality among men doesn't exist, but I haven't researched the matter thoroughly and don't usually start believing something based on just one piece of evidence or logic. I'd like to research and think about it a good deal more first.
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I know for a cold hard fact that male bisexuality exists. Two of my male bisexual friends had hard-core crushes on me - they both fell "in love" with me. I am bisexual, and I do not lean predominately toward either male or female; guys and women are both equally as attractive and sexually interesting to me.
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OR maybe I'm just touchy about this because my best friend happens to be bisexual..ha.She certainly is inclined towards both sexes. She has a girlfriend right now, but we drool over the same male celebrities. If one person proves anything, then I'm going to have to highly doubt this.Hmm.
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I won't try to argue about whether or not this is the case with your friends; that would be just stupid. I don't know them.
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The idea that bisexuality might not exist in men never crossed my mind, because what the heck!? Why are women capable of being bisexual and men, allegedly, aren't? I think our society puts too much emphasis on the differences between men and women, to the point of fabricating differences. This could be one of them. Edited because I left out my point.
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Another reason that I like to post here is because I see huge gaps of logic in the arguments I typically hear from the pro-homosexual side, and I like to analyze and discuss them. Another reason I like to post here is because I've learned a lot from others. The MAIN reason I like to post here is to dispel the HUGELY wrong misconception that ALL (or most) Christians HATE homosexuals!!! That just makes me HUGELY mad, because it's SO untrue, and it's SO destructive to both sides being able to get along and be friends. And I think I've been able to show my heart on this issue to many here, and hopefully I've killed that despicable lie. There's some homosexuals on the Moot, and I consider them friends. In fact, sometimes I forget who has said they're homosexual and who hasn't - which should show that I don't keep some huge blacklist anywhere. There have been VERY few people that I haven't liked on the Moot, and NONE of the ones that I haven't liked have been homosexual, at least that I know of. I think most of the homosexuals here are nicer than many of the hets. Whatever. They're people - and if they're nice and intelligent and polite and fun, then I'd like to be friends with them. I do, however, have an opinion about homosexuality, just like everyone else here, and on a thread that discusses homosexuality, I'll express my opinions, like everyone else. Quote:
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First I'd like to say that nothing is black & white. You can't always divide people into groups by their sexual orientation. There will be grey areas between hetero- and homosexual, as well as between homo- and bisexual. No clear lines can ever be defined. I adress this mainly to the Christian posters in this thread, since it seems to me that they've been very quick regard these various sexual orientations as clearly defined groups. A homosexual person who shows some slight interest in the same sex does not necessarily make him heterosexual or even bisexual. Quote:
I think it is very probable that such a complex thing like sexual orientation is not ruled solely by genes - the environment is likely to influence a lot as well. As of today we simply do not know how much our genes are involved, nor do we know how capable the environment is to influence our sexual preferation. There are studies that suggest that genes are involved and there are other studies that suggest the involvement of the environment. Well perhaps both are involved. Anyway, it would take one hell of a study to definitely prove anything, to lay forth actual evidence. And maybe it doesn't really matter whether evidence shows homosexuality is genetic. We can never make such a generalization. There will always be fluctuations. If homosexuality were in most cases genetic, there would still be some persons who would be gay despite their "heterosexual" heritage, persons who you can't just ignore. Fluctuations can really "screw up" a scientific study but they always have to be taken into consideration when you present your results. Quote:
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I'll respond to your post as soon as I can, Jonathan.
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And I know it was about male bisexuals. I was just explaining my own connection with this topic in general, and part of the reason I stand where I do on it. No worries. AND I really have nothing more to say, you're all getting off easy today. Ee!
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I edited my previous post to say:
"I haven't read the study so I'm not going to debate it in detail, but my point was that you don't have to be equally attracted to both sexes to be bisexual." because I accidentally left out my point. I thought it was a big enough edit to repost though. Heh.
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02-26-2006, 08:17 PM | #156 |
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this tolkien forum is the wierdest ever - the teacup has gay?? vicars in looking in showers, gay men ditching ntheir partners, drunken pool parties, here we have bi-sexuality etc.
Do not get me wrong i have not a problem, it is a odd but fun. I just follow what is posted. But Does anyone talk about the lord of the rings? Is there anywhere for tolkien, or am i completely lost? 2 people from the entmoot suggested threads but i cvannot to see them. |
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You're on the wrong forum Toby. Go to the top and click on 'Entmoot' or 'Other Topics'.
And, to be on topic... Nowhere have I ever heard a definition of bi-sexuality that said a person had to be equally attracted to both genders. I don't think there is a good way to define what being Bi is. It is a much fuzzier concept than either homo or hetero sexuality. From my personal experience: I'm in a relationship with a female, so technically I could say that I am homo-sexual. But I was in a relationship with a male, and while I was with him I felt genuinely attracted to him and during that time I did still identify myself as straight. But now, if I identified myself as either straight or lesbian it would deny the validity of the excluded relationship which wouldn't be right, because the attraction for the male was real and my attraction to my current partner is real. And if I see an attractive member of either gender I take notice. Therefore I identify myself as bi. This doesn't prove anything except for myself, but it hopefully makes a bit of sense.
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That absolutely makes sense Lady Marion! Thanks.
Sounds like Old Toby has been sampling too much of his weed.
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probably more than we need to know but cathartic for you, I presume.
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WHAT?! Spock. That's not more than we needed to know!! And it was definitely useful information, far far more so than non-gay Lief with his studies and "evidence." Why do you gotta go and make someone here who is opening up and sharing, feel funny for doing so by saying something like that, Spock?? I mean, WTF? Lady M's post made all the sense in the WORLD to me and to a number of posters who regularly post here, and she hit the nail on the head as far as how I feel, right in her second-to-last paragraph there. It felt great to see a fellow Bi-girl speak up and clarify about something that is so personal yet affects so many of us bisexual human beings. Please, Spock, try and be a little more sensitive in the future, will ya?
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