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I hate that scenario, though. But I would not say that a woman should feel ethically compelled to attack in a situation like that. Women aren't built to be able to handle physical combat in the way men are, mentally or physically. I'd rather lose one family member than two, and I wouldn't want my wife or children throwing away their lives needlessly. Would any of you say that if a burglar entered the house and started attacking you, you'd want your children to intervene? Absolutely not (assuming they aren't yet teenagers). They're not physically fit for the fight. You'd rather they ran and hid. I definitely would, and I'd consider it to be immoral and selfish of any of you if you said that they should all pile into the conflict if someone is attacking you. Neither are women often fit for combat, physically. Or mentally either, often, as I demonstrated with evidence in the Gender Issues Thread. Sometimes women are able to fight very well- there are certainly exceptions. I know one young lady who is a black belt in karate, and she could easily flatten me if she wanted. She'd pretty much certainly succeed if she fought me, but she's the only one I know who would have any chance. I know many other women and could physically overpower any of them. I'd feel a lot happier if woman scampered, in most dangerous situations. If I was under attack, for example, especially if I was being attacked by superior numbers and the odds were strongly against my success, I'd far rather my wife escaped than stayed and tried to fight alongside me. If anyone would want their wife to stay and fight it out alongside him, I'd consider that to be unmanly.
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If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do." |
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04-04-2007, 06:46 PM | #143 |
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... did you mean to quote yourself and then say you agreed, or is that something I need to clean up?
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04-04-2007, 06:49 PM | #144 |
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I was just making clear, in case anyone wasn't sure, that I agree with myself.
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04-04-2007, 06:49 PM | #145 |
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Don't worry, Lief.
Your women, if any, won't fight for you.
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But of course you're right Lief, that it's always better if it's the stronger person who intervenes first and not the weaker one. However who acts first, acts firsts. Quote:
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And wow, you sure had some remarks in your post that some would consider sexist. I hope they don't see the post and leave you in peace
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04-04-2007, 06:52 PM | #147 | |
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Oh, no, leave it, Tessar.
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What is this thread about? I didn't read back very far, but I can't find a common thread, (which is probably cause I didn't read back very far )
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04-04-2007, 07:03 PM | #149 |
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LOL, Rian.
What would be the "friendly" component of "And I dislike the PC-ness" praytell?
I made a factual statement about part of Lief's posting. You chose to see that as a personal attack on Lief. Well, that's your fevered imagination, as far as I can tell. I don't let sexism go unremarked, generally. It's bad for developing minds to be exposed to it. Lief seems happy pretending he isn't reading my posts...why do you see the urgent need to defend him from imaginary attack? lol "friendly". |
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I just know
Butterbeer left that mirror here. Where is it?
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04-04-2007, 10:13 PM | #153 | |
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04-04-2007, 10:29 PM | #154 | |
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I don't think that this is sexist, as I don't believe one gender is any better than the other. I do believe that the genders have propensities to different skills, abilities and mentalities. The genders are not only physically different- there are also psychological differences. For details on this, I'd have to refer anyone curious about my arguments to the Gender Issues Thread. It's not that women are worse than men at all. They're different, with different skills and psychologies that come from the different genetics of the gender, but their different psychologies and abilities are equally valuable and necessary for the survival of our species as those of men. Quote:
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Did you know that there are actually three different varieties of feminist? One of those varieties tries to assert that women can be men, basically, that they can take on all the roles of men and have their same abilities. I don't remember what the second type of feminist was. But the third type of feminist, rather than trying to basically have women take over men's role in society, instead try to argue that traditionally feminine qualities should be elevated in society and seen as having great value. They argue that women shouldn't be shamed by those qualities and that society shouldn't look down on them. I highly approve of the efforts of that third kind of feminist, and of their endeavors. There are exceptions to the rule, it is true, and some women might be very well suited to traditionally masculine roles. But I think that women are trying to make themselves something they aren't to a large extent in modern times, nowadays. They think it's right and best for them, but they aren't suited to it, and they demean qualities that they have more of than most men do, qualities our species badly needs.
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Your "third" type of feminism is the dominant type among religious feminists. It's pretty marginalized among secular feminists though.
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There's a modern component of feminism, often referred to as "cultural feminism", which, indeed, celebrates the "intrinsic" differences between men and women. The 'religious feminists' with whom Lief is likely to be familier aren't even part of that. I object to having the term "feminist" applied to that subordination crew, just as some here object to having "Christian" applied to Mormons. Here's a good link with a brief discussion of types of feminism, complete with doctrinal debate. http://www.uah.edu/woolf/feminism_kinds.htm But a return to the specifically religious thread here would be nice, and I think everyone wants to hear the rest of Rian's story. |
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On the flipside, looking too much towards the eternity of afterlife seems to lead to the kind of Jihadish mentality that has little or no concern for the here and now, as long as one is convinced that they are following a path that will lead them to eternal glory. A path which is, by the nature of the questions involved, completely relative to the individual, and thus promotes the "us and them" over "all of us". Quote:
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I'm still personally somewhat unclear as to when I should keep my mouth shut and when I should speak my mind. Doing the latter often gets me some abuse, which I'll accept to a degree, but sometimes doing the former is a better course. I'm not sure exactly how to draw the line between the two. If I always kept my mouth shut on my non-politically correct views, I'd be allowing views I disagree with to freely proliferate, and I'd be failing in a major way to contribute to our democracy. That absolute silence, I know I'll never involve myself in. But I know that sometimes keeping my mouth shut would be better. I currently try to only keep my mouth shut if I know that speaking will do no one any good, because the people involved are too set in their own ways to listen, and all I'll get is abuse by talking, with no one coming out of the situation the better for it. If it's lose-lose, I keep my mouth shut. Thankfully, that kind of situation is pretty rare. Do you think, Jonathan, that that's the best time to remain silent, or are there other times also when one should? Quote:
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