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If there is further evidence since then, I'll need to hear both it and the counter evidence that Christians quote in defense of the historical perspective. Neither you nor I have enough information at this point to debate, because you don't know what the new evidence is (having seen it on television) and I don't know it either. Quote:
Look at what we do see of them. (In the words of Craig Blomberg, a Bible scholar, a professor and a mathmetician) "We see them reporting the words and actions of a man who called them to as exacting a level of integrity as any religion has ever known. They were willing to live out their beliefs even to the point of ten of the eleven remaining disciples being put to grisly deaths, which shows great character. "In terms of honesty, in terms of truthfulness, in terms of virtue and morality, these people had a track record that should be envied." Jerseydevil, if you want to dispute their characters, please give some evidence. Quote:
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06-22-2003, 11:19 PM | #1562 |
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GrayMouser, I want to thank you for responding to my posts. I also apologize that I can't find at this moment the precise place in "The Case for Christ" in which it talks about the sayings of Jesus that were recorded in Jewish manuscripts. I believe I was correct when citing that evidence, but I guess you don't have to take my word for it until I find the place.
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06-23-2003, 10:58 AM | #1563 | |
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Whew!! Just checked out "Jesus" and "Talmud" on Google, and the wave of anti-semitic filth is overwhelming. Be very, very careful what you find there- a lot of these people apparently believe that J.C. sitteth on the right hand of Adolf Hitler Almighty!
There's a lot of loonies out there! From the Jewish sites I found, most seem to agree that there was a teacher called Jesus, he was executed by the Romans on or close to Passover for blasphemy- and that's it. Concerning Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny, the same- a report on what Christians believed about their Messiah. Quote:
As for prophesies, here's a simple one: the Messiah was supposed to be descended in the paternal line from King David.
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06-23-2003, 11:06 AM | #1564 | |
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06-24-2003, 12:14 PM | #1565 |
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Hello everyone! I have long been on this 'Moot site, but just a week ago, I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior!(I hope I spelled all that right )
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I'm just curious, can you elaborate on what you meant by that? Savior is the correct American spelling. It's saviour the British way.
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06-24-2003, 10:12 PM | #1567 |
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While I must say it surprises me, it isn't really confusing. Many, many, and I mean many people who ascribe to Christian faith (particularly Catholic, I think, (as one who is planning to join the Roman Church, not an anti-Catholic Protestant)), do so for an infinite variety of reasons. Some just go through the motions because it helps alleviate guilt. Some think that because they're parents were Christian, that means that they were too. But of the millions and millions of professing Christians, a low number (I would a guess of between 5 and 20%) are actually "born again"; that is, confess with their mouth and truly and deeply believe in their heart that Jesus Christ is Lord. So much of Christianity is an empty shell, and without that special spark, that special communion with God, that certain special something, it is nothing but a dead faith.
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06-24-2003, 10:23 PM | #1568 |
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By the way, congratulations, Silme, and welcome. May your new-found communion with God be as fulfilling as that of the Apostles of Old.
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06-25-2003, 09:02 AM | #1569 | |
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06-25-2003, 10:40 AM | #1570 |
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Thank you very much Gwaimir Windgem. Arien the Maia, I have a friend who's mother is Catholic and father is Mormon, she goes to my church (I got her hooked on Christ) and though she struggles with her faith, she doing considerably well. She used to take drugs and get drunk but since she hangs with God, she doesn't do that as often and is starting to quit! She drives me off the wall sometimes, but that's just because she hangs around the wrong people. I guess what I am trying to say is, even though she does many bad thing that would not make God happpy, she is doing much better with prayer and help of Jesus, and soon, she will be like every other Christian, and I am happy she got this far! (aplause)
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06-25-2003, 01:54 PM | #1572 |
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Wow! It must have been really hard for her growing up in a home like that. Especially when she did not know the Lord. I guess I have it pretty easy. I grew up in a Christian home and go to a Christian school. I will be praying for your friend Slime.
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06-25-2003, 02:36 PM | #1573 |
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Thank you all so very much! It WAS hard on her, but now she likes it better, if only I could get her away from those confounded people giving her drugs an' all! I have had it easy too. My parents are Christians, I hated being a Christian because I could not onderstand anything. But now, I am renewed, go baptized in the Jordan River, and my friend Ashley (the 'friend' with trouble) is thinking about getting baptized in the Snake River! She is making me proud every year!
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06-25-2003, 03:03 PM | #1574 |
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You were baptized in the Jordan? Is that the Middle-eastern Jordan?
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06-25-2003, 05:19 PM | #1575 |
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The same as Jesus.
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06-25-2003, 05:32 PM | #1576 |
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Congratulations Silme!
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06-25-2003, 05:47 PM | #1577 |
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06-25-2003, 05:51 PM | #1578 |
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Sweet! That is so cool!
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06-25-2003, 09:02 PM | #1579 |
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Thank you very much *blushes* I took a once in a life time chance. My grandparents took me to Israel two years ago, we went to see the Jordan River, our tour person, er, guy, said it cost 8 dollars to get baptized, you pay for a baptizmal robe (like what Jesus would have worn) a towel, certificate (sp) and a blanket. I can write a half hour post all about it, but I like to keep things simple. I could have payed a thousand bucks to see my Dad smile like he did when I told him all about it. He doesn't smile much. But that's a different story.
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