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CNN/Gallup 56% / 42% 11/16 ABC News 52% / 44% 11/12- 11/16 CBS News 11/10 50% / 43% Still a majority, but a big drop.
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Despite that, Dunedain, attacks against civilians is no way to win the sympathy of others.
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Eärniel, isn't Belgium also a Monarchy?
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Yes, they do.
The controversial thing about Northern Ireland was Partition, in 19?? (16?, 26?) when the Republic declared independence. The Protestants, who formed the majority in Ulster (one of the Irish Provinces), didn't want to be part of a Catholic state (for example, abortion and, until recently, contraception are illegal in Ireland) and wanted to remain part of the UK. Hence the terms "Loyalist" and "Unionist". Since then, Northern Ireland has had a mostly Protestant, Loyalist population. However, there is a large Catholic minority, most of whom would probaby prefer to be living in a united Ireland. The present troubles started in the late 60s, in fact because Loyalists were attacking Catholics, who asked for protection from the British Army. So, it's ironic that the troops were originally sent in to protect the Catholic community. However, things pretty soon got turned around such that the Army were seen as part of the British occupation which oppressed the Catholic minority, you had the IRA declaring war on them, you had things like Bloody Sunday when troops opened fire on an unarmed crowd, and then you had about 25 years of people blowing each other up and shooting each other. The situation has been resolved by Devolution. There is a devolved Northern Ireland Assembly where politicians from all parties, including formerly active members of terrorist organisations, make policy in areas such as education, health care policing, etc. They could vote to secede from the UK, but about 60% of the population would rather slam their heads in the car door so I don't see it happening. The Assembly is currently suspended because they can't stop arguing with each other (and within their own parties) long enough to do anything. And yes, the IRA did get funding from the USA. Last edited by The Gaffer : 11-22-2003 at 03:23 PM. |
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Thanks Gaffer. Nice to be educated on other countries.
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I'm pretty sure he was indicating the Irish Bar/Irish Gentleman's Club in Boston/New York/Philadelphia etc backing and not the direct support from the US government. At least that's how I interpreted it, and I know damn well that the US government never shipped a load of arms to Ireland.
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It wasn't official, but there were some pretty influential donors and well-organised charity-fronted funding routes.
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The IRA bombed my city a few years ago, and i never hurt them. Why should i care what happens to them. members of my family were just a block away when that thing went off.
Believe me when i say that I'm not a believer that war and the attacking of civilians is the right way to make your voice heard on a global scale. i find it disappointing, not that your president was invited to our fair island (though i could point out 20 people right now who were), but that since his visit became iminent every political force tried to pass the blame along. As for the london mayor, he's just trying to keep his city running on schedule. have you ever been in london at rush hour, yeesh. The matter of bowing to Her Majesty is basic courtesy. When you go to someones home you are polite (at least you are meant to be). This is just on a more world-leader scale. The protocol involved would not make your president lessened or appear subject to Her. It's very convoluted and i think someones been twisting the facts. It's not like every citizen in england's expecting him to go down on one knee to Her. mind you, if She's got to get double glazing just for him...
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I also was very close to an IRA bombing, in London.
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m referring to why don't these protesters march against the countries who support them. You might have heard of these countries Lybia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, etc.
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