Discrimination

[Lotesse]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

my vote gives me the right to take part in deciding what is "wise"

Word.

[Lotesse]

[The Gaffer]

Excellent. Sad, but so so true.

[Rían]

and I would like to add that some of us think that in the last panel, the "latest information" is how people "feel" about the guy and how this will affect his chances at re-election and book sales - it has nothing to do with what he thinks is actually right or wrong

It's not that simple.

[inked]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

my vote gives me the right to take part in deciding what is "wise"

Yes, brownjenkins. And when mine cancels yours, it'll be the majority who decides what is wise! (Unless of course the liberals disagree when it'll go to the liberal court to overturn the majority - right? )

[Curubethion]

Hmm...that cartoon exagerrates a little...flip-flop is a bigger change than adjustment. Stolidness is not stubborness.

[Bombadillo]

So about five minutes ago I was feeling bored+pompous enough to Google the term "Bombadillo." Before the Entmoot result came up, I found this guy. The bastard's ruining a good name on a white supremacy message board!

[Lotesse]

[Curubethion]

Heehee He looks angry...he must have had a run-in with Proctor.

[Lotesse]

[Spock]

....maybe we should get you a banner and a long stick.

[Lotesse]

I don't need a banner and a long stick, Spock, but thanx 4 thinkin' of me!

[inked]

All wines are created equal, therefore, Madd Dog 20-20 should suffice for all red meats, don't you think?

[Tamuril Sirfalas]

Originally Posted by Garina

It is well known that all people should be treated equally, whatever race, gender or religion. This is especially the case with ethnic minorities. In my school, discrimination against minorities is dealt with severely. Or should I say, against obvious minorities.

I am a Christian, and I make no secret of the fact. This doesn't mean I walk around telling people to repent of their sins, but if someone asks me, I will tell them. Christianity is supposedly the main religion in the UK, so why is it that Christians seem to be in a minority and are constantly teased about their beliefs?

If I insulted a black person about the colour of their skin, or a Muslim about their religion, there would be hell to pay. I would be ostracised and severely punished. Yet people seem to feel it is their right to make fun of my beliefs. How is this fair?

In this country, white people have to be so careful what they say to others in case something is taken as offensive. So how come it doesn't work both ways? How come we can be insulted by others and it not be discriminating?

For the record, I am not accusing any members of this board of anything. This is just something I feel very strongly about, and I was wondering if anyone else had views on this subject.

at my school in canada, peopleare discriminated against, and of course it happens everywhere. when i was a kid i got discriminated against just because i looked different and it was horrible...that happened for about 2 years. im not religious, so i cant say anything on christians getting discriminated against but im not saying it doesnt happen!!! its so stupid how people act and how they put down others because they are different in some small way

[Insidious Rex]

Intriguing. ONE letter in the DNA code out of 3.1 billion… So why cant we all just get along again?

Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin
By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 16, 2005

Scientists said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife.

The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned. That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races.

Leaders of the study, at Penn State University, warned against interpreting the finding as a discovery of "the race gene." Race is a vaguely defined biological, social and political concept, they noted, and skin color is only part of what race is -- and is not.

In fact, several scientists said, the new work shows just how small a biological difference is reflected by skin color. The newly found mutation involves a change of just one letter of DNA code out of the 3.1 billion letters in the human genome -- the complete instructions for making a human being.

"It's a major finding in a very sensitive area," said Stephen Oppenheimer, an expert in anthropological genetics at Oxford University, who was not involved in the work. "Almost all the differences used to differentiate populations from around the world really are skin deep."

The work raises a raft of new questions -- not least of which is why white skin caught on so thoroughly in northern climes once it arose. Some scientists suggest that lighter skin offered a strong survival advantage for people who migrated out of Africa by boosting their levels of bone-strengthening vitamin D; others have posited that its novelty and showiness simply made it more attractive to those seeking mates.

The work also reveals for the first time that Asians owe their relatively light skin to different mutations. That means that light skin arose independently at least twice in human evolution, in each case affecting populations with the facial and other traits that today are commonly regarded as the hallmarks of Caucasian and Asian races.

Several sociologists and others said they feared that such revelations might wrongly overshadow the prevailing finding of genetics over the past 10 years: that the number of DNA differences between races is tiny compared with the range of genetic diversity found within any single racial group.

Even study leader Keith Cheng said he was at first uncomfortable talking about the new work, fearing that the finding of such a clear genetic difference between people of African and European ancestries might reawaken discredited assertions of other purported inborn differences between races -- the most long-standing and inflammatory of those being intelligence.

"I think human beings are extremely insecure and look to visual cues of sameness to feel better, and people will do bad things to people who look different," Cheng said.

The discovery, described in today's issue of the journal Science, was an unexpected outgrowth of studies Cheng and his colleagues were conducting on inch-long zebra fish, which are popular research tools for geneticists and developmental biologists. Having identified a gene that, when mutated, interferes with its ability to make its characteristic black stripes, the team scanned human DNA databases to see if a similar gene resides in people.

To their surprise, they found virtually identical pigment-building genes in humans, chickens, dogs, cows and many others species, an indication of its biological value.

They got a bigger surprise when they looked in a new database comparing the genomes of four of the world's major racial groups. That showed that whites with northern and western European ancestry have a mutated version of the gene.

Skin color is a reflection of the amount and distribution of the pigment melanin, which in humans protects against damaging ultraviolet rays but in other species is also used for camouflage or other purposes. The mutation that deprives zebra fish of their stripes blocks the creation of a protein whose job is to move charged atoms across cell membranes, an obscure process that is crucial to the accumulation of melanin inside cells.

Humans of European descent, Cheng's team found, bear a slightly different mutation that hobbles the same protein with similar effect. The defect does not affect melanin deposition in other parts of the body, including the hair and eyes, whose tints are under the control of other genes.

A few genes have previously been associated with human pigment disorders -- most notably those that, when mutated, lead to albinism, an extreme form of pigment loss. But the newly found glitch is the first found to play a role in the formation of "normal" white skin. The Penn State team calculates that the gene, known as slc24a5, is responsible for about one-third of the pigment loss that made black skin white. A few other as-yet-unidentified mutated genes apparently account for the rest.

Although precise dating is impossible, several scientists speculated on the basis of its spread and variation that the mutation arose between 20,000 and 50,000 years ago. That would be consistent with research showing that a wave of ancestral humans migrated northward and eastward out of Africa about 50,000 years ago.

Unlike most mutations, this one quickly overwhelmed its ancestral version, at least in Europe, suggesting it had a real benefit. Many scientists suspect that benefit has to do with vitamin D, made in the body with the help of sunlight and critical to proper bone development.

Sun intensity is great enough in equatorial regions that the vitamin can still be made in dark-skinned people despite the ultraviolet shielding effects of melanin. In the north, where sunlight is less intense and cold weather demands that more clothing be worn, melanin's ultraviolet shielding became a liability, the thinking goes.

Today that solar requirement is largely irrelevant because many foods are supplemented with vitamin D.

Some scientists said they suspect that white skin's rapid rise to genetic dominance may also be the product of "sexual selection," a phenomenon of evolutionary biology in which almost any new and showy trait in a healthy individual can become highly prized by those seeking mates, perhaps because it provides evidence of genetic innovativeness.

Cheng and co-worker Victor A. Canfield said their discovery could have practical spinoffs. A gene so crucial to the buildup of melanin in the skin might be a good target for new drugs against melanoma, for example, a cancer of melanin cells in which slc24a5 works overtime.

But they and others agreed that, for better or worse, the finding's most immediate impact may be an escalating debate about the meaning of race.

Recent revelations that all people are more than 99.9 percent genetically identical has proved that race has almost no biological validity. Yet geneticists' claims that race is a phony construct have not rung true to many nonscientists -- and understandably so, said Vivian Ota Wang of the National Human Genome Research Institute in Bethesda.

"You may tell people that race isn't real and doesn't matter, but they can't catch a cab," Ota Wang said. "So unless we take that into account it makes us sound crazy."

So yet more undeniable proof that race as a biological construct is a myth and an illusion. Now if they could only isolate the gene that makes us discriminate against each other based on arbitrary reasons…

[Spock]

According to Archie Bunker, "he put all us white people in the white countries and the rest in other countries....." maybe he was right

[Insidious Rex]

Tell it to the native south africans.

[Lotesse]

Word!!!

[Spock]

ok, so you can't tell biting sarcasm , how about all the white land owners who helped make SA the breadbasket, along with Zimbabwe, of the continent and who were killed and driven out with the "revolutionary equal rights" people starting with Mandella and Mugubie.
The entire continent has suffered this reverse discrimination and the countries which supplied the grain, etc. have almost imploded with problems.

[rohirrim TR]

"God didn't make all men equal. Sam Colt did."
also in the same vein
"Abe Lincoln freed all men, but Sam Colt equalized em."