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01-28-2005, 02:58 AM
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Maybe this should be the "I hate the 90 sec rule" ?
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01-28-2005, 08:40 PM
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Can we get some modaraters over here? Maybe then we can get back on topic, or close it.
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01-28-2005, 11:56 PM
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Wraiths, a poem
Why do they exist?
Really only to cause dispute As to their true nature. Is it so difficult to believe That there may be no answer? Here ends this Silly stanza. |
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01-29-2005, 01:15 AM
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...And it rhymes, too
Whence do wraiths come, where do they go?
Really, I would like to know And why they are so hard to see If before our eyes they seem to be The wraith world, what is it really, How can we ever truly say? So off of topic we will stay. Hehheh... what can I say? It's past midnight and I haven't been sleeping well... [edited] You like those lyrics for your Elvish song, Em? 
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02-02-2005, 10:24 AM
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Realise that these posts Are driveing others crazy? I Think you need a nap. However I think you Should still stay on topic I'm going nuts!
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02-02-2005, 11:11 AM
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me9996 is right. Okay guys, enoough sillyness. No more poetry. Let's just discuss
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02-02-2005, 04:43 PM
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02-14-2005, 09:25 PM
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Let's see... what would start an argument... oh you're here?
 Just trying to come up with something to get this thread going... I've got it! Are barrow writes wraiths?
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02-15-2005, 10:05 AM
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Barrow wights aren't wraiths. They have a body.
Wight = Body in most old translations in fact. Barrow wight would mean basically a grave corpse... Barrow wights are indeed a classic case of undeath.
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02-15-2005, 10:19 AM
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I didn't think the wight had a body of its own anymore... I thought it was a spirit which occupied the dead bodies it found.
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02-15-2005, 10:52 AM
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wight1 Audio pronunciation of "Wight" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wt)
n. Obsolete A living being; a creature. [Middle English, from Old English wiht. See wekti- in Indo-European Roots.] ENTRY: wekti- DEFINITION: Thing, creature. a. whit, wight1; aught2, naught, not, from Old English wiht, person, thing; b. nix2, from Old High German wiht, thing, being. Both a and b from Germanic *wihti-. (Pokorny ek-ti- 1136.) Yeah... it's still got it's own original body. Just not the original life force... 'Grave Dweller' might be a better translation...
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02-15-2005, 04:09 PM
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Yes, the most common definition of "wight" in most dictionaries is :
From Dictionary.com: wight1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wt) n. Obsolete A living being; a creature.
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02-15-2005, 04:13 PM
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02-15-2005, 04:27 PM
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But are Tolkien's wights different from the dictionary definition?
In Appendix A (read the portion on Arnor and Arthedain - the time of the Great Plague in 1636), he tells us that evil spirits came out of Angmar and dwelt in the Barrow Downs. Or - were the wights the sum total of the evil spirits that came in and the bodies they took? Or... do you still think they brought their bodies with them? Wonder if a connection could be made to those Mewlips of the poem in Adventures of Tom Bombadil...???
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02-15-2005, 04:55 PM
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Yep. And as I posted earlier in this thread, that is how Tolkien describes them. Oh, and Val, that is also exactly what Foster says.
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02-15-2005, 05:04 PM
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As I said, Grave Dweller is probably a more accurate translation of Barrow Wight...
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02-15-2005, 05:17 PM
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So is yours you ninny-hammer! It's called a soul you great lummocking noodle! *preceding works best when delivered in a Scottish Burr* Wraiths are souls. Discorporate "bodies"... Ghosts! What makes them special is something giveing them the power to impinge/act-on/impact the corporate world. In the case of the Nazgul, it was likely their ring. In some cases, probably sorcery. Ghosts can scare the crap out of you, but if they could slap the crap out of you, then they would be a wraith. But that doesn't mean they have a corpus!
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Zombie = Original body + evil animating force. Possession = Original soul + Stolen Corpus I'd say barrow wights were closer to Zombies than possesed dead bodies...but then it's probably just splitting hairs... The point being they had bodies... Without them they were just ghosts...
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02-15-2005, 05:28 PM
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Is it only me, or does anyone else have a hard time saying 'wraith' and 'wight' in the same sentence?
I either want to say "wraith and wright" or "waith and wight"! 
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