Wheel of Time discussions - Page 7

Grey_Wolf · 07-29-2005, 01:24 PM

Could the eleventh part, Knife of dreams, be the final one or is there a twelth and final one in the works.

brownjenkins · 07-29-2005, 01:32 PM

i'm betting at least 13 at least... plus, that title doen't sound grand enough for a final book

brownjenkins · 07-29-2005, 01:34 PM

it does sound like he might dive into the whole finnland-morraine-lanfear thing with that title though... maybe worth reading

Lief Erikson · 07-30-2005, 11:34 PM

Here's an interesting link regarding the book. It's essentially what would be written on the cover jacket.
http://www.sevenspokes.com/books/v11-kod.html

I doubt that much will be resolved in this book, though it's beginning to become more clear how events in the series are likely to turn out. I think Egwene might be able to turn this kidnap by the White Tower to her own advantage. It is a nasty situation she's in though, considering the kind of people she's dealing with.

Here's an excerpt from "Knife of Dreams":
http://www.knifeofdreams.com/excerpt.php

Beren3000 · 08-01-2005, 03:51 PM

I'm currently more than halfway into Crossroads of Twilight and I can't see why people are bashing it so hard

I know the action is slow, but it has been this way for the past 3 books or so...

Lief Erikson · 08-01-2005, 08:08 PM

I'm glad you have that experience

. I cruised through that book very swiftly, in spite of its being slower. People who bash that book tend to bash a very large number of Robert Jordan's books. I agree with some of the complaints- the characters are very similar to one another, the women are insane, and the books are pretty slow. I still enjoy the books, though

.

Robert Jordan says that the book he released just before "Knife of Dreams" is more of a "lull before the storm." "Knife of Dreams" is supposed to be full of action scenes.

Beren3000 · 08-02-2005, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

Robert Jordan says that the book he released just before "Knife of Dreams" is more of a "lull before the storm." "Knife of Dreams" is supposed to be full of action scenes.

I recall reading something along these lines and thinking: he probably did some last minute changes on the plot after all the ranting he's had about book 10

brownjenkins · 08-02-2005, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beren3000

I know the action is slow, but it has been this way for the past 3 books or so...

that's the point

close to zero plot advancement... one book i can understand, but three? in comparison to the first six, i think he's been slacking quite a bit... i enjoy his stuff, i just think he probably could have easily condensed the last three books into one or two and lost a lot of the irrelavant and repetative stuff

Lief Erikson · 08-02-2005, 10:25 AM

Yeah, I think we're all agreed on that point.

Lenya · 08-08-2005, 09:12 AM

Yeah. I heard he intends to make 12 books, but now you guys are making me worry. He will almost certainly write more volumes that he is planning for and I don't know if I will be in the mood to read much more of his work. But I'll have to, can't stop in the middle of a series.

Lief Erikson · 08-08-2005, 01:34 PM

Well, I heard on one "Wheel of Time" site that he is planning to keep it down to two more books, the "Knife of Dreams" and its sequel. I heard on that site that he was planning to keep it to that many books, even if the last one had to be 1,500 pages. Perhaps that's true.

Beren3000 · 08-08-2005, 03:04 PM

I just finished Crossroads of Twilight today (and picked up New Spring) I have to say, despite all the stuff I've heard about CoT, the ending really took me by surpise, so I'm voting for this book as a good one!
New Spring looks promising as well

***Tessar*** · 08-09-2005, 06:16 PM

Bleh. I didn't really like New Spring. Everyone was obsessed with sex and how great they were in bed--I mean not that I'm saying that isn't realistic for people to be obsessed with that, but it gets boring it read it over, and over, and over, and over.

That and the characters just felt really, really weak to me in NS.

Ahhhhh well. The Aes Sedai test was pretty neat, although I wouldn't class it as 'OMGTEHBBQ!' good

Lief Erikson · 08-10-2005, 02:06 AM

My main difficulty with "New Spring" was keeping track of the characters. So many names . . .

There was an exciting climax

. Robert Jordan always has been very skilled with his action scenes. I liked seeing Lan again, too.

Lenya · 08-13-2005, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

Well, I heard on one "Wheel of Time" site that he is planning to keep it down to two more books, the "Knife of Dreams" and its sequel. I heard on that site that he was planning to keep it to that many books, even if the last one had to be 1,500 pages. Perhaps that's true.

Nooo!

Beren3000, I'm glad you finally finished it

I didn't like it so much. I still hold that book 9 was the best one so far. As for New Springs, I have decided not to read it. Too much other stuff to read for me to stick with one writer. The only reason why I considered it for a while is because Lan is in it

Beren3000 · 08-13-2005, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenya

Beren3000, I'm glad you finally finished it I didn't like it so much. I still hold that book 9 was the best one so far. As for New Springs, I have decided not to read it. Too much other stuff to read for me to stick with one writer. The only reason why I considered it for a while is because Lan is in it

Well, guess what... I just finished New Spring and it's worth it. Two words: read it!!

Lenya · 08-14-2005, 11:04 AM

Not convinced yet.

Beren3000 · 08-14-2005, 02:36 PM

*Hypnosis voice* Reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaad iiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt.........reeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaa aaaaaad itttttttttttttt!

*Normal voice* Convinced yet?

Now seriously, it's a good book. It has something of the feel of the "older ones", especially the initial naivety that characterized Eye of the World it also features Lan and a neat description of the Aes Sedai test...
Hope that's enough.

Pytt · 08-14-2005, 04:27 PM

I'm going, at last, to take up WoT again. I haven't read since february, but I read the first volume of George R R Martin's Song of Ice And Fire. Which was a very good fantasy, but I got a stronger urge to read further in WoT than Song Of Ice And Fire. So I am borrowing the 8th book tomorrow.

Beren3000 · 08-15-2005, 02:40 AM

I started on The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time
by Robert Jordan and Teresa Patterson. It's very interesting; if only Tolkien had written a book like that....

07-29-2005, 01:24 PM	#121
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	Could the eleventh part, Knife of dreams, be the final one or is there a twelth and final one in the works. Last edited by Grey_Wolf : 07-29-2005 at 01:25 PM.

07-29-2005, 01:32 PM	#122
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	i'm betting at least 13 at least... plus, that title doen't sound grand enough for a final book __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

07-29-2005, 01:34 PM	#123
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	it does sound like he might dive into the whole finnland-morraine-lanfear thing with that title though... maybe worth reading __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

07-30-2005, 11:34 PM	#124
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	Here's an interesting link regarding the book. It's essentially what would be written on the cover jacket. http://www.sevenspokes.com/books/v11-kod.html I doubt that much will be resolved in this book, though it's beginning to become more clear how events in the series are likely to turn out. I think Egwene might be able to turn this kidnap by the White Tower to her own advantage. It is a nasty situation she's in though, considering the kind of people she's dealing with. Here's an excerpt from "Knife of Dreams": http://www.knifeofdreams.com/excerpt.php __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do." Last edited by Lief Erikson : 07-30-2005 at 11:59 PM.

08-01-2005, 08:08 PM	#126
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	I'm glad you have that experience . I cruised through that book very swiftly, in spite of its being slower. People who bash that book tend to bash a very large number of Robert Jordan's books. I agree with some of the complaints- the characters are very similar to one another, the women are insane, and the books are pretty slow. I still enjoy the books, though . Robert Jordan says that the book he released just before "Knife of Dreams" is more of a "lull before the storm." "Knife of Dreams" is supposed to be full of action scenes. __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

08-01-2005, 03:51 PM	#125
Beren3000 Fëanorophobic Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the pages of a book Posts: 1,417	I'm currently more than halfway into Crossroads of Twilight and I can't see why people are bashing it so hard I know the action is slow, but it has been this way for the past 3 books or so...

08-02-2005, 10:25 AM	#129
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	Yeah, I think we're all agreed on that point. __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

08-08-2005, 09:12 AM	#130
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Yeah. I heard he intends to make 12 books, but now you guys are making me worry. He will almost certainly write more volumes that he is planning for and I don't know if I will be in the mood to read much more of his work. But I'll have to, can't stop in the middle of a series.

08-08-2005, 01:34 PM	#131
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	Well, I heard on one "Wheel of Time" site that he is planning to keep it down to two more books, the "Knife of Dreams" and its sequel. I heard on that site that he was planning to keep it to that many books, even if the last one had to be 1,500 pages. Perhaps that's true. __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

08-08-2005, 03:04 PM	#132
Beren3000 Fëanorophobic Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the pages of a book Posts: 1,417	I just finished Crossroads of Twilight today (and picked up New Spring) I have to say, despite all the stuff I've heard about CoT, the ending really took me by surpise, so I'm voting for this book as a good one! New Spring looks promising as well

08-09-2005, 06:16 PM	#133
*Tessar* Master and Wielder of the Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ Posts: 6,433	Bleh. I didn't really like New Spring. Everyone was obsessed with sex and how great they were in bed--I mean not that I'm saying that isn't realistic for people to be obsessed with that, but it gets boring it read it over, and over, and over, and over. That and the characters just felt really, really weak to me in NS. Ahhhhh well. The Aes Sedai test was pretty neat, although I wouldn't class it as 'OMGTEHBBQ!' good

08-10-2005, 02:06 AM	#134
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	My main difficulty with "New Spring" was keeping track of the characters. So many names . . . There was an exciting climax . Robert Jordan always has been very skilled with his action scenes. I liked seeing Lan again, too. __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."

08-14-2005, 11:04 AM	#137
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Not convinced yet.

08-14-2005, 02:36 PM	#138
Beren3000 Fëanorophobic Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the pages of a book Posts: 1,417	Hypnosis voice Reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaad iiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt.........reeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaa aaaaaad itttttttttttttt! Normal voice Convinced yet? Now seriously, it's a good book. It has something of the feel of the "older ones", especially the initial naivety that characterized Eye of the World it also features Lan and a neat description of the Aes Sedai test... Hope that's enough.

08-14-2005, 04:27 PM	#139
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	I'm going, at last, to take up WoT again. I haven't read since february, but I read the first volume of George R R Martin's Song of Ice And Fire. Which was a very good fantasy, but I got a stronger urge to read further in WoT than Song Of Ice And Fire. So I am borrowing the 8th book tomorrow. __________________ Don't Panic!

08-15-2005, 02:40 AM	#140
Beren3000 Fëanorophobic Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the pages of a book Posts: 1,417	I started on The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan and Teresa Patterson. It's very interesting; if only Tolkien had written a book like that....

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