05-27-2005, 02:01 PM | #121 |
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You think it is wrong to have expectations?
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05-27-2005, 02:05 PM | #122 | |
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Insofar as the above definition is concerned, yes. To expect someone or a government to behave in a certain way in order to formulate your own development, isn't the way I choose to go; nor the way I want aid to be looked upon.
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05-27-2005, 03:23 PM | #123 |
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Well I expect MY OWN government (speaking as an american here...) to be far and away the number one aid giver in the world. Anything less is unnaceptable in my opinion considering our standard of living here. And no I dont care about the standard of living in Quatar or Belgium or any other country that does pretty well here. Its my tax money and I can expect it to be used for good around the globe if I want to.
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05-27-2005, 03:51 PM | #124 |
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i expect developed nations to give aid freely to developing nations, based on the value of the 1st world's economy, compared to that of the thirld world country, populations, and need, and, IMO, i do not think it is wrong for this expectation, that which would cause an end to human suffering, if however people dont agree with ending suffering, well, what more can i do....?
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05-27-2005, 05:40 PM | #125 |
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Well, perhaps there's been more success than ya'll realize!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...628272,00.html What's the likely impact?
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05-28-2005, 07:31 AM | #126 | |
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05-28-2005, 09:10 AM | #127 |
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..now you have a taste of what I go through on a daily basis.
Thanks.
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05-30-2005, 10:05 AM | #128 |
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nouvelles fantastiques
French Voters Soundly Reject European Union Constitution
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/30/in...html?th&emc=th
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05-30-2005, 10:11 AM | #129 |
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the EU as we know it is no more
with a french Non!, there is not really any point in a UK referendum, especially as the dutch are likely to go no also |
05-30-2005, 02:48 PM | #130 |
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I wonder why Chirac thought he could persuade the French to vote 'oui', after all they don't like him that much. And will he step down now like he said? (That would have been enough reasons to vote no, if you ask me. ) Oh, well at least the French got to vote on it, unlike some other nations...
I think the whole deal about the Bolkenstein-guideline did the European Constitution a lot of damage. Some really bad timing (and not a very bright idea either). I don't think it there's no point in the other referenda. (mind your steps, there's a double negation in there). It might not be bad for other countries to know their people's stance it. Especially in the light of how we must continue now. Do you think there will be an attempt to rewrite the constitution or will they put it on ice for the moment?
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05-30-2005, 03:29 PM | #131 |
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Did Belgium not get a referendum? A UK referendum would be great, and was promised, but Blair is backpedalling now and talking about 'time for reflection' instead.
Sadly, I don't think the result in France will make much difference. The EU has never been about following the will of the people - politicians decide first and get a mandate later. As in previous referendums which have produced 'no' results (Nice, Maastricht) they'll fiddle with the constitution until they can put it to the vote again and get a narrow 'yes'.
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But also, to be a fair, I seem to remember it also required an amendment to our constitution since we never held a referendum and there is no legal basis for it in our legisation. Not entirely sure, though.
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05-30-2005, 05:46 PM | #133 |
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i think that it should have been accepted regardless, the public are never informed enough to make sensible political decisions, and never are people farsighted enough, people just don't understand politics, which is why we get some of the weird governments that we get (like the pseudo-tory blair getting elected as a labour PM )
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05-30-2005, 06:01 PM | #134 |
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I recall something similar happening with the Constituent Assembly under Lenin. :P
It's supposedly the greatest democratic experiment (or something) and it would be a little ironic if it were imposed upon a disapproving public...
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05-30-2005, 06:03 PM | #135 |
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even if the majority of the public are too thick, to put it plainly, to even understand that it is for their own good?
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05-30-2005, 09:59 PM | #136 | |
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05-31-2005, 03:56 AM | #137 |
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Personally, I don't think people are that stupid, LCoU. They might have the wrong information or the wrong reasons, though. In this case, I think a lot of people voted against the constitution because they wanted to give their politicians a bloody nose.
I'm hopeful that this "non" vote will result in a better Europe. Who knows? Maybe the EU will have to take its democratic deficit more seriously from now on. |
05-31-2005, 11:55 AM | #138 |
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We are still going to have a referendum here. (Portugal).
As I perceive it, our “enlightened” EU politicians are now wondering what way to go next. Likely, it will depend of the level of support/opposition they can garner elsewhere, in other countries (hence the importance of other referendums). A large consensus for the constitutional letter could result in a reformulation of it, with some extras “goodies” to attract the reluctant, while a large opposition could effectively close the process, for now. In any case. As I see it, the triumph of the No doesn’t bring change, on the contrary, will mean more of the same.
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05-31-2005, 03:08 PM | #139 |
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I like this question of how to 'interpret' the no vote.
For clues, refer to a dictionary. Do NOT ask Mr. Juncker.
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