Tolkien's Languages - Page 7

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-24-2003, 09:49 PM

Somewhere I read that "-ale" or maybe "-le" make a noun form of something. Hantale is an example of this, I guess. So is lindale, music.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-24-2003, 09:53 PM

I have found the source. At Ardalambion, the Quenya wordlists.

"-lÃ«: ending forming nouns that "seem properly to have been universal and abstract" (VT39:16, where Tolkien is actually commenting on the prehistoric form -lÃª, but -lÃ« is its Quenya descendant)"

Maybe I should research before I make my first post!

Lalaith · 04-25-2003, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
'gerund' is correct. Verbal noun ending in -ing.

Lalaith: I did not guess.

OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ« has been doing her homework.

My Quenya isn't good enough for such sentences. The complete sentences were on a Quenya phrase site. (now I have revealed my dark secret

)

Falagar · 04-25-2003, 04:41 PM

Anybody knows what Tolkien himself meant on the subject of other people learning his languages? I've read something, but now I can't remember where...

Linaewen · 04-26-2003, 09:01 AM

Ok, could someone help us out here? Is 'quettar' a word? (I think Lalaith and I are getting so confused here) I think it is supposed to mean 'speaker' according to her...

Lalaith · 04-26-2003, 10:50 AM

No QUETTAR is the plural form of QUETTA.
Which means:
QUETTA - word
QUETTAR - words

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-26-2003, 12:28 PM

Quentaro means narrator.

Blackboar · 04-26-2003, 02:06 PM

I speak a little! (Quenya) and a tiny bit of Sindain.
I know all the grammer rules but can't bring myself to memorise the words, so I'm always here with my "The Languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth" by my side spending ages looking them up so in the end I give up!

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-26-2003, 08:47 PM

That book is by Ruth S. Noel, right? I heard somewhere to avoid her like the plague, but you never know.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-26-2003, 10:41 PM

Does anyone know of a Quenya word for lightning? I suppose "raumo", noise-of-a-storm could be used for thunder, but what could lightning possibly be??

Wayfarer · 04-26-2003, 11:59 PM

Cala-haloitÃ« "Leaping Light?"

Ruinel · 04-27-2003, 12:16 AM

Tell me what ya'll think of this: someone brave enough post a couple of sentences for the rest to translate. I would but I'm having trouble with my keyboard right now. (Part of my keyboard will not work or is working wrong. Sounds like something is loose in there, I can hear it when I shake it.) Awe, shucks... I will just have to go get a new one tomorrow. Anyway, post something and we'll try to translate it and if need be fix parts to make it right. You know me, I don't give a rat's patoot and I'd do it. But as I said, my keyboard is acting up. If no one posts something, I'll do it tomorrow evening.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-27-2003, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blackboar
I speak a little! (Quenya) and a tiny bit of Sindain.
I know all the grammer rules but can't bring myself to memorise the words, so I'm always here with my "The Languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth" by my side spending ages looking them up so in the end I give up!

I probably speak more Sindarin than Quenya, though I prefer Quenya. I owe that to Robert Foster's Guide to Middle-earth, which told the meanings (and occasionally etymology) of lots and lots of names. And Sindarin was used much more than Quenya.

Wayfarer · 04-27-2003, 01:02 AM

I probably speak more Quenya than Sindarin, though I prefer Sindarin. I owe that to Ardalambions Quenya wordlists, which give the meanings (and occasionally etymology) of practically every quenya word or word part known. And Quenya is more popular than Sindarin.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-27-2003, 01:08 AM

Wanna trade?

Wayfarer · 04-27-2003, 01:11 AM

Sure!

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-27-2003, 01:20 AM

Okay, now we just need to invent a mind-switching machine.

Ruinel · 04-27-2003, 11:31 AM

*winces* Ohh, Gwaimir, you reeeeally don't want to do that (switch brains with Wayfarer). Do you reeeeeally know what you're getting yourself into? Just a reeeeeally bad decision all around, really. Very, very, very strange things go on in his mind**.

LOL!!!

**Don't take offense, Wayfarer

... you know I'm right on this one, don't you.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-27-2003, 11:36 AM

I was just thinking about that...

Maybe we can just switch our Middle-earth Language knowledge.

Oh, by the way, I found out something interesting:

"stupid tolkien

all teh elf languages should b da same
they should all d da same"

From an AIM conversation.

Blackboar · 04-27-2003, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
That book is by Ruth S. Noel, right? I heard somewhere to avoid her like the plague, but you never know.

Why does that happen to every book of information I get!
I spent loads of money on a really nice looking encyclopedia by David Day, turns out he should be avoided and I wasted my money, now this! I learnt all the Quenya I know from that book, and its probably just a random bunch of words strung together!

Why me?

04-24-2003, 09:49 PM	#121
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Somewhere I read that "-ale" or maybe "-le" make a noun form of something. Hantale is an example of this, I guess. So is lindale, music. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-24-2003, 09:53 PM	#122
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	I have found the source. At Ardalambion, the Quenya wordlists. "-lÃ«: ending forming nouns that "seem properly to have been universal and abstract" (VT39:16, where Tolkien is actually commenting on the prehistoric form -lÃª, but -lÃ« is its Quenya descendant)" Maybe I should research before I make my first post! __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-25-2003, 04:41 PM	#124
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Anybody knows what Tolkien himself meant on the subject of other people learning his languages? I've read something, but now I can't remember where... __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

04-26-2003, 10:50 AM	#126
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	No QUETTAR is the plural form of QUETTA. Which means: QUETTA - word QUETTAR - words __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

04-26-2003, 12:28 PM	#127
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Quentaro means narrator. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-26-2003, 09:01 AM	#125
Linaewen Fair Dinkum Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,319	Ok, could someone help us out here? Is 'quettar' a word? (I think Lalaith and I are getting so confused here) I think it is supposed to mean 'speaker' according to her...

04-26-2003, 02:06 PM	#128
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	I speak a little! (Quenya) and a tiny bit of Sindain. I know all the grammer rules but can't bring myself to memorise the words, so I'm always here with my "The Languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth" by my side spending ages looking them up so in the end I give up!

04-26-2003, 08:47 PM	#129
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	That book is by Ruth S. Noel, right? I heard somewhere to avoid her like the plague, but you never know. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-26-2003, 10:41 PM	#130
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Does anyone know of a Quenya word for lightning? I suppose "raumo", noise-of-a-storm could be used for thunder, but what could lightning possibly be?? __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-26-2003, 11:59 PM	#131
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Cala-haloitÃ« "Leaping Light?" __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-27-2003, 12:16 AM	#132
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Tell me what ya'll think of this: someone brave enough post a couple of sentences for the rest to translate. I would but I'm having trouble with my keyboard right now. (Part of my keyboard will not work or is working wrong. Sounds like something is loose in there, I can hear it when I shake it.) Awe, shucks... I will just have to go get a new one tomorrow. Anyway, post something and we'll try to translate it and if need be fix parts to make it right. You know me, I don't give a rat's patoot and I'd do it. But as I said, my keyboard is acting up. If no one posts something, I'll do it tomorrow evening.

04-27-2003, 01:02 AM	#134
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I probably speak more Quenya than Sindarin, though I prefer Sindarin. I owe that to Ardalambions Quenya wordlists, which give the meanings (and occasionally etymology) of practically every quenya word or word part known. And Quenya is more popular than Sindarin. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-27-2003, 01:08 AM	#135
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Wanna trade? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-27-2003, 01:11 AM	#136
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Sure! __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-27-2003, 01:20 AM	#137
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Okay, now we just need to invent a mind-switching machine. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-27-2003, 11:31 AM	#138
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	winces Ohh, Gwaimir, you reeeeally don't want to do that (switch brains with Wayfarer). Do you reeeeeally know what you're getting yourself into? Just a reeeeeally bad decision all around, really. Very, very, very strange things go on in his mind. LOL!!! Don't take offense, Wayfarer ... you know I'm right on this one, don't you.

04-27-2003, 11:36 AM	#139
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I was just thinking about that... Maybe we can just switch our Middle-earth Language knowledge. Oh, by the way, I found out something interesting: "stupid tolkien all teh elf languages should b da same they should all d da same" From an AIM conversation. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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